0 00:00:00,039 --> 00:00:00,319 Anyway, 1 00:00:00,370 --> 00:00:00,639 we'll, 2 00:00:00,730 --> 00:00:01,409 we'll let that run. 3 00:00:01,529 --> 00:00:01,830 Um, 4 00:00:01,929 --> 00:00:04,239 I don't know where I put the old recording cos they want me to stop. 5 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:04,940 Uh oh, 6 00:00:06,050 --> 00:00:06,590 where are we? 7 00:00:06,699 --> 00:00:08,649 I in here and here. 8 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:09,449 OK, 9 00:00:09,529 --> 00:00:10,050 here we go. 10 00:00:10,289 --> 00:00:10,640 Uh, 11 00:00:10,770 --> 00:00:11,149 so 12 00:00:11,810 --> 00:00:12,489 to office hours, 13 00:00:12,609 --> 00:00:14,479 sorry for the delays and everything. 14 00:00:14,770 --> 00:00:16,370 Promise I'm trying to get more automation going. 15 00:00:16,549 --> 00:00:19,319 Here it's just like uh I've been trying to fix a problem uh 16 00:00:19,479 --> 00:00:19,920 um 17 00:00:20,069 --> 00:00:21,569 the corporate stuff for many, 18 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,299 many weeks 19 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,760 and I just like keep hammering away at it and it keeps not being so we go. 20 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,379 I need to like search primetime dash and then 2026. 21 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:31,280 Where are they? 22 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,400 They should be on my desktop. 23 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:32,750 I didn't 24 00:00:33,459 --> 00:00:35,060 apparently I accidentally deleted them. 25 00:00:35,389 --> 00:00:35,880 Uh, 26 00:00:35,889 --> 00:00:38,560 they are in recycle bins so I can just go ahead and restore them. 27 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:39,159 What happened? 28 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,479 I must have been like smoking some stuff or something. 29 00:00:41,599 --> 00:00:41,979 OK, 30 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:43,150 um, 31 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,240 so with all that done. 32 00:00:44,580 --> 00:00:44,860 Uh, 33 00:00:44,939 --> 00:00:48,049 are you planning to add a toggle to remove April Fool's events for business clients? 34 00:00:48,069 --> 00:00:48,860 It won't be a toggle, 35 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:49,490 it'll be like a, 36 00:00:49,540 --> 00:00:50,529 a manual process. 37 00:00:50,619 --> 00:00:51,060 Basically, 38 00:00:51,099 --> 00:00:51,979 April Fools is, 39 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:53,919 is driven by an engine property. 40 00:00:54,139 --> 00:00:55,380 I don't know what exactly it is, 41 00:00:55,459 --> 00:00:57,959 but it's something like engine is April Fools or something. 42 00:00:58,259 --> 00:01:02,060 And right now that is like due date maths is at April 1st, 43 00:01:02,209 --> 00:01:02,459 but what that. 44 00:01:02,755 --> 00:01:03,224 B is 45 00:01:03,404 --> 00:01:04,235 due date maths, 46 00:01:04,245 --> 00:01:05,385 is it April 1st 47 00:01:05,644 --> 00:01:06,264 and 48 00:01:06,644 --> 00:01:08,815 not in uh engine in universe, 49 00:01:09,084 --> 00:01:10,644 which is uh 50 00:01:10,885 --> 00:01:13,404 like a property which indicates if something is in a universe. 51 00:01:13,485 --> 00:01:15,574 Just tag that with like member not null as well. 52 00:01:15,894 --> 00:01:16,775 Member not nulls is, 53 00:01:16,785 --> 00:01:17,684 is really where are we? 54 00:01:17,885 --> 00:01:18,535 Member 55 00:01:18,764 --> 00:01:19,745 not null when, 56 00:01:19,925 --> 00:01:20,485 um. 57 00:01:21,209 --> 00:01:21,489 Mr. 58 00:01:21,510 --> 00:01:23,639 Cyro helped me understand this, 59 00:01:23,839 --> 00:01:24,529 uh, 60 00:01:24,790 --> 00:01:25,180 but 61 00:01:25,349 --> 00:01:26,550 what I can do 62 00:01:26,690 --> 00:01:27,910 is I can tag 63 00:01:28,290 --> 00:01:29,190 in universe, 64 00:01:29,769 --> 00:01:29,870 no, 65 00:01:29,930 --> 00:01:31,410 I can tag engine.universe, 66 00:01:31,489 --> 00:01:32,930 which is the universe that you're in, 67 00:01:33,129 --> 00:01:33,589 with 68 00:01:33,809 --> 00:01:35,410 member not null when, 69 00:01:35,569 --> 00:01:36,110 uh, 70 00:01:36,449 --> 00:01:37,559 in universe true, 71 00:01:37,650 --> 00:01:39,830 and then it will prevent a bunch of like 72 00:01:40,010 --> 00:01:40,919 universe null. 73 00:01:41,129 --> 00:01:41,519 Anyway, 74 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:42,269 there we go. 75 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,930 I do still plan to do that, 76 00:01:43,989 --> 00:01:45,989 it's not going to make tomorrow though. 77 00:01:46,250 --> 00:01:46,970 Um, 78 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:48,430 most of the people 79 00:01:48,809 --> 00:01:49,569 involved at. 80 00:01:49,692 --> 00:01:52,751 The corporate client are on vacation so we're probably good, 81 00:01:52,972 --> 00:01:53,321 um, 82 00:01:53,372 --> 00:01:54,762 but I don't wanna lose momentum, 83 00:01:54,931 --> 00:01:55,132 right, 84 00:01:55,211 --> 00:01:55,491 you know, 85 00:01:55,531 --> 00:01:56,781 it was like a weird countdown, 86 00:01:56,872 --> 00:01:57,952 so I will do it this week, 87 00:01:58,171 --> 00:01:58,811 but it won't be, 88 00:01:59,891 --> 00:02:00,192 uh, 89 00:02:00,211 --> 00:02:00,811 cos like if I, 90 00:02:00,851 --> 00:02:01,531 if I delay it, 91 00:02:01,571 --> 00:02:04,232 it'll be this time next year and I'll be like fuck I didn't do it again. 92 00:02:04,442 --> 00:02:04,692 So I, 93 00:02:04,762 --> 00:02:05,251 I have to, 94 00:02:05,332 --> 00:02:05,912 I have to do it, 95 00:02:05,972 --> 00:02:06,431 otherwise, 96 00:02:06,611 --> 00:02:06,802 uh, 97 00:02:06,811 --> 00:02:07,192 I'm gonna. 98 00:02:07,531 --> 00:02:08,731 I guess I could just do it right now. 99 00:02:08,890 --> 00:02:10,852 Let's do it right now whilst we wait for some questions. 100 00:02:11,011 --> 00:02:11,572 How about that? 101 00:02:11,692 --> 00:02:12,701 I won't release it to them, 102 00:02:12,731 --> 00:02:13,671 like I wouldn't do that 103 00:02:13,802 --> 00:02:14,912 this close to 104 00:02:15,091 --> 00:02:16,052 the date and like I said, 105 00:02:16,091 --> 00:02:16,871 they're all on vacation, 106 00:02:17,052 --> 00:02:17,671 but there we go. 107 00:02:17,891 --> 00:02:18,332 cos they're giant. 108 00:02:18,643 --> 00:02:19,533 Corporate client, 109 00:02:19,694 --> 00:02:21,393 they've got like a common 110 00:02:21,854 --> 00:02:24,113 software delivery mechanism. 111 00:02:24,494 --> 00:02:26,733 It's common in corporate IT whereby like, 112 00:02:26,934 --> 00:02:27,134 you know, 113 00:02:27,214 --> 00:02:27,634 maybe 114 00:02:28,194 --> 00:02:28,554 like 115 00:02:28,854 --> 00:02:32,934 Softpedia or all those other like weird janky download websites are blocked, 116 00:02:32,973 --> 00:02:33,134 right, 117 00:02:33,173 --> 00:02:35,253 for good reason cos they're mostly full of viruses. 118 00:02:35,453 --> 00:02:36,753 But like if you want an application, 119 00:02:37,283 --> 00:02:38,533 you can go to like the 120 00:02:38,774 --> 00:02:39,634 uh corporate 121 00:02:40,134 --> 00:02:41,354 software like 122 00:02:41,554 --> 00:02:42,514 distribution 123 00:02:42,854 --> 00:02:43,774 UI somewhere, 124 00:02:43,813 --> 00:02:46,873 like it's usually like a desktop application or maybe it's like a website. 125 00:02:47,285 --> 00:02:51,046 And it lists like validated and approved applications and in 126 00:02:51,046 --> 00:02:52,886 some cases depending on like how cool it is, 127 00:02:52,936 --> 00:02:54,055 it will also keep them up to date. 128 00:02:54,255 --> 00:02:57,115 So it's like a business steam but for more than just games. 129 00:02:57,216 --> 00:02:58,235 And we wanna get 130 00:02:58,496 --> 00:03:00,395 um resona into that 131 00:03:00,496 --> 00:03:02,475 and being automatically delivered from, 132 00:03:02,535 --> 00:03:03,636 from CI as well. 133 00:03:03,735 --> 00:03:03,916 um, 134 00:03:03,936 --> 00:03:06,195 but right now I basically email them a zip 135 00:03:06,195 --> 00:03:08,916 and then they have to like slowly distribute it around 136 00:03:09,136 --> 00:03:10,475 so it wouldn't make it any. 137 00:03:10,615 --> 00:03:11,276 Uh 138 00:03:11,535 --> 00:03:11,776 OK, 139 00:03:12,016 --> 00:03:13,345 control April's. 140 00:03:13,615 --> 00:03:14,235 There is one 141 00:03:14,936 --> 00:03:15,856 L in April. 142 00:03:17,089 --> 00:03:17,600 If 143 00:03:18,429 --> 00:03:18,449 engine, 144 00:03:18,669 --> 00:03:19,990 so we don't need to engine cos we're in the engine. 145 00:03:20,089 --> 00:03:20,509 If in 146 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:21,679 uh I, 147 00:03:22,410 --> 00:03:22,580 yeah, 148 00:03:22,729 --> 00:03:24,130 public ball in universe. 149 00:03:24,289 --> 00:03:24,449 Oh, 150 00:03:24,490 --> 00:03:27,500 it's not static and is April Fools is static. 151 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:29,889 I guess we can do engine not current for the singleton. 152 00:03:30,089 --> 00:03:32,050 Engine not current in universe 153 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:33,559 return false. 154 00:03:33,850 --> 00:03:34,479 Here you go. 155 00:03:34,770 --> 00:03:36,630 Here's how you turn off April Fool's mode 156 00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:37,449 for the corporates. 157 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:38,770 It is two lines of code, 158 00:03:38,889 --> 00:03:39,429 ideally, 159 00:03:39,449 --> 00:03:40,369 like it could be one. 160 00:03:41,130 --> 00:03:42,440 Could be one like the uh 161 00:03:42,740 --> 00:03:44,250 enter an indentation there is, 162 00:03:44,259 --> 00:03:44,460 is, 163 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:45,380 is not needed, 164 00:03:45,470 --> 00:03:45,979 but you know, 165 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:46,820 two lines. 166 00:03:47,020 --> 00:03:47,339 Uh, 167 00:03:47,380 --> 00:03:48,039 so let's just 168 00:03:48,220 --> 00:03:48,619 check the 169 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:49,419 error list. 170 00:03:49,619 --> 00:03:49,699 Yeah, 171 00:03:49,779 --> 00:03:50,139 that's fine. 172 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:50,460 OK, 173 00:03:50,539 --> 00:03:52,850 so I can just literally shove that up to, 174 00:03:53,020 --> 00:03:55,619 up to their branch and it falls first. 175 00:03:55,979 --> 00:03:56,229 OK, 176 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:56,940 it's fixed. 177 00:03:57,020 --> 00:03:59,059 It's not like in their hands, 178 00:03:59,380 --> 00:03:59,660 but it's, 179 00:03:59,699 --> 00:04:01,360 it's in the commit chain. 180 00:04:01,419 --> 00:04:03,179 It's in the commit chain, 181 00:04:03,220 --> 00:04:03,660 OK? 182 00:04:03,779 --> 00:04:04,139 It's in. 183 00:04:04,895 --> 00:04:04,914 In the, 184 00:04:05,595 --> 00:04:05,884 like 185 00:04:06,035 --> 00:04:07,854 the next build I publish for them 186 00:04:08,115 --> 00:04:09,134 will not have, 187 00:04:09,195 --> 00:04:09,804 uh, 188 00:04:10,074 --> 00:04:10,315 uh, 189 00:04:10,395 --> 00:04:10,895 will not have 190 00:04:11,225 --> 00:04:13,595 computers it says current activity of canine companion. 191 00:04:13,714 --> 00:04:13,955 Um, 192 00:04:14,065 --> 00:04:15,654 they're in their bark at the door mode. 193 00:04:15,835 --> 00:04:16,255 Um, 194 00:04:16,515 --> 00:04:16,644 uh, 195 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:17,825 that's why I shut the baby gate, 196 00:04:17,954 --> 00:04:19,834 but they are sat on one of their beds. 197 00:04:19,915 --> 00:04:21,595 They've got like 2 or 3 at this point, 198 00:04:21,834 --> 00:04:22,375 um, 199 00:04:22,915 --> 00:04:24,154 staring at the baby gate, 200 00:04:24,234 --> 00:04:24,554 um, 201 00:04:24,674 --> 00:04:25,695 intermittently barking. 202 00:04:25,915 --> 00:04:26,894 They also don't like, 203 00:04:26,915 --> 00:04:27,355 um. 204 00:04:27,690 --> 00:04:30,040 I swapped to a new dog food. 205 00:04:30,250 --> 00:04:32,329 I usually do like a delivered food, 206 00:04:32,410 --> 00:04:36,070 but I'm moving soon and I didn't want there to be like an overlap of just like. 207 00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:38,829 A giant box of 208 00:04:39,010 --> 00:04:39,690 uh 209 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:41,119 of frozen dog food, 210 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:42,149 particularly when I'm moving. 211 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:43,799 So I cancelled that and I'm like, 212 00:04:43,809 --> 00:04:44,089 we'll go, 213 00:04:44,209 --> 00:04:46,559 we'll go dry food until I've moved and then, 214 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:46,730 you know, 215 00:04:46,809 --> 00:04:48,170 we'll go back to whatever we go from, 216 00:04:48,250 --> 00:04:49,739 from now after relook at prices. 217 00:04:49,970 --> 00:04:54,850 And so I bought like a 18 pound bag of dry dog food that he's previously liked, 218 00:04:55,049 --> 00:04:56,190 but he doesn't like it 219 00:04:56,329 --> 00:04:56,970 and 220 00:04:57,250 --> 00:04:58,179 so he's not eating, 221 00:04:58,410 --> 00:04:59,049 but I'm like, 222 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:01,480 does he not like it because he doesn't like it or does he 223 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,690 not like it because there's a problem with his teeth because he. 224 00:05:03,790 --> 00:05:04,670 He has a softer, 225 00:05:05,070 --> 00:05:07,970 so I'm gonna book him into the vet whenever I remember, 226 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:08,489 uh, 227 00:05:08,510 --> 00:05:08,750 to. 228 00:05:08,869 --> 00:05:09,950 It's meant to be booked in today, 229 00:05:10,029 --> 00:05:10,670 maybe I could do that, 230 00:05:10,709 --> 00:05:11,660 it's already 4 though. 231 00:05:12,029 --> 00:05:12,630 Uh, 232 00:05:12,950 --> 00:05:13,829 just book him into the vet, 233 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:14,420 be like, 234 00:05:14,579 --> 00:05:14,899 yo, 235 00:05:14,989 --> 00:05:15,290 hey, 236 00:05:15,510 --> 00:05:15,859 you know, 237 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:17,209 double check his teeth. 238 00:05:17,309 --> 00:05:17,470 Um, 239 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:18,510 he also might need some, 240 00:05:18,630 --> 00:05:19,589 some vaccinations. 241 00:05:19,709 --> 00:05:21,109 I've got a trip coming up, 242 00:05:21,190 --> 00:05:21,950 a travel trip, 243 00:05:22,059 --> 00:05:23,510 and he's gonna need to be boarded, 244 00:05:23,630 --> 00:05:24,070 so I've gotta, 245 00:05:24,149 --> 00:05:25,589 I've gotta check up on his, 246 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:27,329 his vaccinations anyway. 247 00:05:27,540 --> 00:05:27,739 Um, 248 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:28,149 if they're like, 249 00:05:28,230 --> 00:05:28,309 hey, 250 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:29,380 his teeth are fine, 251 00:05:29,790 --> 00:05:30,369 then, 252 00:05:30,429 --> 00:05:30,670 um. 253 00:05:30,769 --> 00:05:30,929 Um, 254 00:05:31,130 --> 00:05:31,709 I will 255 00:05:31,970 --> 00:05:33,589 probably just like 256 00:05:33,809 --> 00:05:37,790 get like a smaller bag of a variety of dog foods and to try, 257 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:38,350 um, 258 00:05:38,359 --> 00:05:43,329 and donate the rest of this 18 pound dog bag to a rescue organisation which visits 259 00:05:43,329 --> 00:05:46,609 the pet store around the corner to do an adoption event about once a quarter. 260 00:05:46,809 --> 00:05:47,079 I'll be like, 261 00:05:47,130 --> 00:05:47,329 hey, 262 00:05:47,450 --> 00:05:48,450 my dog hates this food. 263 00:05:48,529 --> 00:05:48,929 Here's like, 264 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:49,369 I don't know, 265 00:05:49,649 --> 00:05:52,130 17.5 pounds of dog food. 266 00:05:52,410 --> 00:05:55,089 He will eventually eat it causes like hunger takes place 267 00:05:55,089 --> 00:05:57,649 and I've also had some mixed success with uh dumping. 268 00:05:57,940 --> 00:05:59,049 In like a cup of water 269 00:05:59,470 --> 00:06:00,010 onto 270 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:00,589 the food, 271 00:06:00,670 --> 00:06:02,989 which like makes it moist and smell a bit better. 272 00:06:03,350 --> 00:06:04,010 There we go. 273 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:04,950 Um, 274 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:07,869 I missed a question from Fusa about something else. 275 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:08,510 Uh, 276 00:06:08,750 --> 00:06:10,739 I'm enjoying the current cheese theme of April Fools. 277 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:11,769 I believe it's only, 278 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:12,299 um, 279 00:06:12,309 --> 00:06:13,290 an excellent event, 280 00:06:13,390 --> 00:06:13,739 um, 281 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:14,399 in Resmonic, 282 00:06:14,459 --> 00:06:14,779 which is, 283 00:06:14,829 --> 00:06:15,549 is cheese. 284 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:17,049 I am aware of what 285 00:06:17,269 --> 00:06:19,390 ressonite's gonna do tomorrow for April Fools. 286 00:06:19,470 --> 00:06:20,190 I cannot tell you, 287 00:06:20,309 --> 00:06:21,170 but I'm aware, 288 00:06:21,309 --> 00:06:21,829 um, 289 00:06:21,989 --> 00:06:23,029 it is not cheese related. 290 00:06:23,149 --> 00:06:23,429 But yes, 291 00:06:23,529 --> 00:06:24,630 I'm always happy to see. 292 00:06:24,829 --> 00:06:25,299 Cheese related item. 293 00:06:25,649 --> 00:06:28,649 We talk about this every year as well when it comes to 294 00:06:28,809 --> 00:06:29,440 um 295 00:06:29,589 --> 00:06:30,730 like April Fools, 296 00:06:30,850 --> 00:06:34,809 but like Frukes is happy for like other engineers to 297 00:06:35,049 --> 00:06:36,160 uh well it's like, 298 00:06:36,209 --> 00:06:36,329 you know, 299 00:06:36,369 --> 00:06:40,190 the Dogman Studios event but like it's uh you know uh the event 300 00:06:40,369 --> 00:06:44,010 is like Nexcellon's responsibility and then the code changes for the 301 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:46,269 engine are Fruke's responsibility and as I was just saying, 302 00:06:46,329 --> 00:06:46,709 um, 303 00:06:46,730 --> 00:06:48,089 Frukes is open to 304 00:06:48,329 --> 00:06:49,709 other engineers submitting, 305 00:06:49,970 --> 00:06:50,399 um, 306 00:06:50,609 --> 00:06:51,649 April Fool's content. 307 00:06:51,980 --> 00:06:52,600 That doesn't 308 00:06:52,769 --> 00:06:55,769 tend to work out in my brain though because 309 00:06:56,070 --> 00:06:57,279 usually 310 00:06:57,619 --> 00:06:58,320 um 311 00:06:58,579 --> 00:06:58,809 you know, 312 00:06:58,859 --> 00:07:01,220 we need code reviews and things like that and I, 313 00:07:01,260 --> 00:07:01,859 I kind of just, 314 00:07:01,940 --> 00:07:03,899 I don't want meme content being code reviewed 315 00:07:03,899 --> 00:07:05,920 cos it's very difficult to write anyway. 316 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:07,109 It's like, 317 00:07:07,459 --> 00:07:07,820 hey, 318 00:07:08,059 --> 00:07:10,880 she didn't use the most optimal and idiomatic 319 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:11,839 open 320 00:07:12,299 --> 00:07:13,579 object orientated 321 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:18,019 public static void made string arg's version of whatever 322 00:07:18,019 --> 00:07:20,600 the hell this is to like make everyone fart 323 00:07:20,850 --> 00:07:21,380 on the hour, 324 00:07:21,459 --> 00:07:22,140 every hour. 325 00:07:22,459 --> 00:07:25,519 That and it's kind of been beaten into me from 326 00:07:25,660 --> 00:07:28,760 uh my Microsoft days that like I kind of just don't do April. 327 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:29,660 For those who aren'taware, 328 00:07:29,739 --> 00:07:33,279 Microsoft and therefore any product under their umbrella including. 329 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:33,809 Box, 330 00:07:33,929 --> 00:07:34,279 um, 331 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:35,040 and listen it now, 332 00:07:35,049 --> 00:07:35,450 I guess, 333 00:07:35,730 --> 00:07:37,679 are not allowed to do April Fools. 334 00:07:37,809 --> 00:07:39,309 It is a directive from 335 00:07:39,609 --> 00:07:39,989 the 336 00:07:40,369 --> 00:07:40,750 chief 337 00:07:40,970 --> 00:07:43,510 legal officer of Microsoft. 338 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:45,480 I think one of the problems with April Fools 339 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,510 as well when you get to a company that large 340 00:07:47,779 --> 00:07:49,829 is that it's very difficult 341 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:52,230 for everyone to understand 342 00:07:52,489 --> 00:07:54,549 that it is a, 343 00:07:54,769 --> 00:07:55,160 a joke, 344 00:07:55,290 --> 00:07:55,679 right? 345 00:07:55,890 --> 00:07:59,329 Let's say like 80% of people understand that it's a joke, 346 00:07:59,410 --> 00:08:00,390 like whatever you do. 347 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:02,230 The 20% who don't 348 00:08:02,549 --> 00:08:03,910 might not buy anything that day, 349 00:08:04,059 --> 00:08:07,380 and so you've still got like a 20% decrease in sales for a day, 350 00:08:07,390 --> 00:08:09,750 and that's like unacceptable to most businesses. 351 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:10,390 Moving forward, 352 00:08:10,459 --> 00:08:11,709 skipping over the April Fool's question, 353 00:08:11,790 --> 00:08:12,529 I know exactly 354 00:08:12,910 --> 00:08:14,179 what's in the April Fool's update, 355 00:08:14,429 --> 00:08:15,730 like down to the latter, 356 00:08:15,790 --> 00:08:17,089 I was reading the commits last night, 357 00:08:17,470 --> 00:08:18,290 but I can't tell you. 358 00:08:18,489 --> 00:08:18,890 Um, 359 00:08:19,309 --> 00:08:19,950 moving forwards, 360 00:08:20,070 --> 00:08:20,200 Hecker, 361 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:23,399 how much did the death of Resi of Resi, 362 00:08:24,010 --> 00:08:24,980 at least I didn't say Rizzi, 363 00:08:25,380 --> 00:08:27,390 how much did the death of Rizzi Player be, 364 00:08:27,630 --> 00:08:27,790 uh, 365 00:08:27,910 --> 00:08:28,570 Ready Player B. 366 00:08:28,730 --> 00:08:30,640 Affect the provision of business for any normal humans, 367 00:08:30,691 --> 00:08:30,960 uh, 368 00:08:30,990 --> 00:08:31,351 that 369 00:08:31,621 --> 00:08:33,241 went by the wayside for a bit. 370 00:08:33,570 --> 00:08:35,551 Lots of times the corporate client will, 371 00:08:35,791 --> 00:08:36,341 um, 372 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:38,291 shove stuff over our way and be like, 373 00:08:38,370 --> 00:08:39,640 could you theoretically do this? 374 00:08:39,690 --> 00:08:40,080 And we're like, 375 00:08:40,130 --> 00:08:40,309 yeah, 376 00:08:40,491 --> 00:08:40,991 sure. 377 00:08:41,171 --> 00:08:41,809 Um, 378 00:08:42,010 --> 00:08:43,690 but they never actually ask us to do it. 379 00:08:43,971 --> 00:08:46,370 So like it goes on my list and I think about it 380 00:08:46,611 --> 00:08:47,231 and, 381 00:08:47,250 --> 00:08:47,810 uh, 382 00:08:47,841 --> 00:08:47,971 you know, 383 00:08:48,051 --> 00:08:48,960 then it doesn't happen. 384 00:08:49,161 --> 00:08:49,731 Right now in, 385 00:08:49,770 --> 00:08:50,401 in corporate land, 386 00:08:50,411 --> 00:08:51,471 I've actually got a break 387 00:08:51,611 --> 00:08:54,231 and for anyone who knows corporate internet security, 388 00:08:54,411 --> 00:08:54,731 uh, 389 00:08:54,741 --> 00:08:55,991 you're about to like love it, 390 00:08:56,051 --> 00:08:56,351 OK, 391 00:08:56,531 --> 00:08:56,690 so. 392 00:08:57,671 --> 00:08:59,452 We created a second copy 393 00:08:59,632 --> 00:09:02,012 of Resonate's cloud infrastructure 394 00:09:02,192 --> 00:09:05,952 with inside their cloud infrastructure in Azure. 395 00:09:06,151 --> 00:09:06,502 Um, 396 00:09:06,581 --> 00:09:09,411 the way that that's been done is using what's called a hub and spoke model. 397 00:09:09,632 --> 00:09:10,151 So, 398 00:09:10,312 --> 00:09:10,591 uh, 399 00:09:10,711 --> 00:09:13,072 there is network isolation between the rest 400 00:09:13,072 --> 00:09:16,021 of corporate's products and our corporate products, 401 00:09:16,072 --> 00:09:17,372 but they're still under the same, 402 00:09:17,432 --> 00:09:17,591 like, 403 00:09:17,622 --> 00:09:18,632 overall wheel, 404 00:09:18,831 --> 00:09:19,731 which means that 405 00:09:19,872 --> 00:09:22,791 the corporate client is paying for the Azure resources and not me. 406 00:09:22,911 --> 00:09:22,992 Oh, 407 00:09:23,111 --> 00:09:23,151 yeah, 408 00:09:23,262 --> 00:09:24,211 they're my studios. 409 00:09:24,471 --> 00:09:26,672 But they're also Means that there's a bunch of security involved, 410 00:09:26,853 --> 00:09:27,632 such that I 411 00:09:27,833 --> 00:09:29,393 don't understand 412 00:09:29,572 --> 00:09:32,953 the network topology of everything that I have deployed. 413 00:09:33,213 --> 00:09:35,293 Now we were OK for things like the API, 414 00:09:35,453 --> 00:09:36,973 the asset worker, 415 00:09:37,093 --> 00:09:37,442 um, 416 00:09:37,533 --> 00:09:38,893 the account websites, 417 00:09:38,932 --> 00:09:39,093 you know, 418 00:09:39,172 --> 00:09:39,853 things like stats, 419 00:09:39,922 --> 00:09:40,482 messages, 420 00:09:40,562 --> 00:09:41,112 inventory, 421 00:09:41,252 --> 00:09:41,843 stuff like that, 422 00:09:42,093 --> 00:09:43,213 cos that's all HTTP. 423 00:09:43,492 --> 00:09:44,713 HTTP is like 424 00:09:45,093 --> 00:09:45,612 everyone like, 425 00:09:45,963 --> 00:09:45,992 whoa, 426 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:46,413 you know, 427 00:09:46,533 --> 00:09:47,153 chef kiss, 428 00:09:47,562 --> 00:09:48,513 everyone knows HTTP. 429 00:09:48,732 --> 00:09:49,052 And yes, 430 00:09:49,093 --> 00:09:51,372 it's HTTPS but I just can't be bothered to say the yes, 431 00:09:51,453 --> 00:09:52,273 so just leave me alone, 432 00:09:52,533 --> 00:09:52,893 um. 433 00:09:53,383 --> 00:09:56,713 It's all HTTP so it's all like really easy to understand. 434 00:09:56,874 --> 00:09:58,533 Firewalls are built for it, 435 00:09:58,763 --> 00:09:59,174 uh, 436 00:09:59,193 --> 00:10:01,304 firewalls are built to handle it really well, 437 00:10:01,554 --> 00:10:02,273 so it just works. 438 00:10:02,354 --> 00:10:06,314 So the corporate cloud is up and running and you can connect via HTTP 439 00:10:06,554 --> 00:10:06,674 and, 440 00:10:06,693 --> 00:10:07,583 and get all your data, 441 00:10:07,633 --> 00:10:08,383 all your contacts, 442 00:10:08,424 --> 00:10:10,783 all your inventory stuff and register accounts and all of that. 443 00:10:10,833 --> 00:10:11,414 That's great. 444 00:10:11,633 --> 00:10:13,283 What what they also wanted was, 445 00:10:13,583 --> 00:10:16,513 let's stick a headless VM in the same subscription. 446 00:10:16,633 --> 00:10:16,953 And I'm like, 447 00:10:16,994 --> 00:10:17,633 this makes sense, 448 00:10:17,674 --> 00:10:18,914 we can have a headless VM, 449 00:10:19,153 --> 00:10:19,624 um, 450 00:10:20,033 --> 00:10:20,713 but to do that, 451 00:10:20,823 --> 00:10:22,575 I then Needed to orchestrate it in such a 452 00:10:22,575 --> 00:10:24,434 way where it could be what's called unattended. 453 00:10:24,655 --> 00:10:24,955 So, 454 00:10:25,215 --> 00:10:25,455 uh, 455 00:10:25,534 --> 00:10:26,275 what they want 456 00:10:26,414 --> 00:10:28,695 is like infrastructure as code standards, 457 00:10:28,755 --> 00:10:29,125 you know, 458 00:10:29,494 --> 00:10:32,565 no one has actual access to the like Azure subscription. 459 00:10:32,815 --> 00:10:35,125 Infrastructure as code is the one that has to provision it, 460 00:10:35,284 --> 00:10:37,114 which means I had to like write code 461 00:10:37,414 --> 00:10:39,205 to provision a headless VM 462 00:10:39,534 --> 00:10:40,525 without my hands, 463 00:10:40,655 --> 00:10:40,895 right? 464 00:10:41,015 --> 00:10:41,974 I can't use my hands. 465 00:10:42,015 --> 00:10:43,815 I have to just use words that I can type. 466 00:10:44,094 --> 00:10:44,375 Uh, 467 00:10:44,534 --> 00:10:44,955 so 468 00:10:45,255 --> 00:10:46,234 Terraform 469 00:10:46,474 --> 00:10:47,515 stands up the, 470 00:10:47,614 --> 00:10:48,085 the, 471 00:10:48,294 --> 00:10:49,034 the virtual machine. 472 00:10:49,549 --> 00:10:49,719 Uh, 473 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:51,070 the virtual machine runs, 474 00:10:51,119 --> 00:10:51,400 um, 475 00:10:51,510 --> 00:10:53,270 a version of Linux called Flat Car Linux, 476 00:10:53,289 --> 00:10:56,880 which is an immutable OS similar to Fedora Core OS or Core OS. 477 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,000 Um, 478 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,020 I had to get that 479 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,239 clear through security as well cause, 480 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:01,479 uh, 481 00:11:01,549 --> 00:11:04,119 it's technically a third party marketplace image 482 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,200 even though 483 00:11:06,260 --> 00:11:09,260 Azure stre Microsoft own the company that that that 484 00:11:09,260 --> 00:11:11,520 makes Flat Car and Flatcar is open source. 485 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,229 I still had to open a security ticket for them to say like, 486 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:14,719 yes, 487 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:15,280 you can install. 488 00:11:15,512 --> 00:11:16,351 This third party, 489 00:11:16,432 --> 00:11:18,711 even though it's not a third party operating system, 490 00:11:19,031 --> 00:11:19,341 um, 491 00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:20,211 so I can include, 492 00:11:20,432 --> 00:11:20,591 you know, 493 00:11:20,781 --> 00:11:21,151 flat car, 494 00:11:21,271 --> 00:11:21,531 great. 495 00:11:21,762 --> 00:11:21,911 Now, 496 00:11:22,031 --> 00:11:22,812 flat car, 497 00:11:23,031 --> 00:11:23,911 it runs, 498 00:11:23,992 --> 00:11:24,611 um, 499 00:11:24,752 --> 00:11:28,492 this language called Ignition at start and it will 500 00:11:28,791 --> 00:11:30,872 spin up whatever the ignition tells it to do. 501 00:11:31,151 --> 00:11:32,072 But Ignition is adjacent, 502 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:33,341 it's really difficult to write, 503 00:11:33,432 --> 00:11:35,552 so you actually write it in a language called butane. 504 00:11:35,822 --> 00:11:37,231 Now butane is just Yamal, 505 00:11:37,322 --> 00:11:37,872 it's very, 506 00:11:37,981 --> 00:11:38,192 very, 507 00:11:38,281 --> 00:11:39,531 very similar to, 508 00:11:39,591 --> 00:11:40,052 um, 509 00:11:40,062 --> 00:11:41,171 like how you might structure. 510 00:11:41,664 --> 00:11:44,963 Like a docker compose file or basically any other like YAL thing, 511 00:11:45,184 --> 00:11:45,453 um, 512 00:11:45,583 --> 00:11:47,104 so you write that as butane 513 00:11:47,223 --> 00:11:48,343 and then you 514 00:11:48,754 --> 00:11:50,164 transpire it to ignition, 515 00:11:50,263 --> 00:11:52,184 which is basically just like YAML to 516 00:11:52,463 --> 00:11:54,773 Jason with like a couple of like extras, 517 00:11:54,783 --> 00:11:55,064 right? 518 00:11:55,383 --> 00:11:57,263 And then you pass that to the machine and 519 00:11:57,263 --> 00:11:59,604 the machine uses that as instructions to build it, 520 00:11:59,804 --> 00:12:00,304 um, 521 00:12:00,463 --> 00:12:03,583 because it's an immutable OS it's not the same as like running commands on there, 522 00:12:03,624 --> 00:12:05,333 like it actually like makes changes, 523 00:12:05,343 --> 00:12:05,653 like it's, 524 00:12:05,703 --> 00:12:06,963 it's a bit com anyway. 525 00:12:07,416 --> 00:12:09,455 The uh ignition stroke butane, 526 00:12:09,575 --> 00:12:12,255 what that does is instals Docker and Docker composer, 527 00:12:12,335 --> 00:12:14,926 then starts a docker headless component uh instance. 528 00:12:15,495 --> 00:12:17,296 That all works and if you log into 529 00:12:17,296 --> 00:12:19,476 the corporate client's version of Resonite right now, 530 00:12:19,935 --> 00:12:22,366 you will see their test headless up and running, 531 00:12:22,656 --> 00:12:23,796 but no one can reach it. 532 00:12:23,976 --> 00:12:26,895 And the reason you can see it up and running is cos like the hi, 533 00:12:26,935 --> 00:12:27,635 I'm here, 534 00:12:27,895 --> 00:12:30,635 that's all HTTP but the actual connection to them 535 00:12:30,895 --> 00:12:33,216 is uh UDP over the LNL. 536 00:12:33,408 --> 00:12:33,828 Um, 537 00:12:34,088 --> 00:12:34,478 system. 538 00:12:34,687 --> 00:12:34,838 Now, 539 00:12:34,848 --> 00:12:36,028 the problem with that 540 00:12:36,288 --> 00:12:36,987 is that 541 00:12:37,247 --> 00:12:41,538 all corporate files are like ancient and they don't understand UDP. 542 00:12:41,817 --> 00:12:42,997 They barely understand TCP, 543 00:12:43,038 --> 00:12:43,247 but they, 544 00:12:43,328 --> 00:12:44,617 they don't understand UDP. 545 00:12:44,807 --> 00:12:45,148 Um, 546 00:12:45,367 --> 00:12:45,638 so yeah, 547 00:12:45,687 --> 00:12:46,468 I can't connect. 548 00:12:46,648 --> 00:12:47,197 And then everyone's like, 549 00:12:47,208 --> 00:12:47,357 oh, 550 00:12:47,408 --> 00:12:48,778 what about the bridge or the relay? 551 00:12:48,888 --> 00:12:48,958 No, 552 00:12:49,047 --> 00:12:49,117 no, 553 00:12:49,208 --> 00:12:49,607 no, 554 00:12:49,768 --> 00:12:50,507 I can't get 555 00:12:50,728 --> 00:12:52,237 any traffic to the VM, 556 00:12:52,367 --> 00:12:53,848 so bridge and relay won't fix it here. 557 00:12:54,007 --> 00:12:56,187 Like you do a trace route to the VM's IP, 558 00:12:56,328 --> 00:12:56,918 it doesn't, 559 00:12:57,168 --> 00:12:57,797 doesn't resolve. 560 00:12:57,848 --> 00:12:58,607 You do a ping to the, 561 00:12:58,687 --> 00:12:59,288 the headless. 562 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:00,719 It doesn't resolve. 563 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,940 You deliberately open a port 564 00:13:03,119 --> 00:13:04,590 with a basic UDP like 565 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,580 um echo server 566 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:09,000 operating with LLL doesn't respond. 567 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,500 So then the problem is like I don't understand 568 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:12,210 what 569 00:13:12,479 --> 00:13:15,520 the client wants and what security can offer cos like, 570 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,109 uh, 571 00:13:16,119 --> 00:13:17,260 number one would be 572 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,520 headless VM is only exposed to corporate networks. 573 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,859 So that would be um if you're 574 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:25,320 logged into a machine on site like at. 575 00:13:25,461 --> 00:13:26,492 Corporate building, 576 00:13:26,552 --> 00:13:26,562 uh, 577 00:13:27,192 --> 00:13:28,541 or if you're off-site, 578 00:13:28,791 --> 00:13:30,432 you'd have to log in through the VM, 579 00:13:30,661 --> 00:13:30,671 uh, 580 00:13:30,711 --> 00:13:31,101 not VM, 581 00:13:31,151 --> 00:13:31,812 VPN, 582 00:13:32,111 --> 00:13:33,392 and then you'd gain access to it. 583 00:13:33,632 --> 00:13:34,831 And I don't understand if that's OK. 584 00:13:34,932 --> 00:13:35,062 Like, 585 00:13:35,072 --> 00:13:35,671 if that's OK, 586 00:13:35,752 --> 00:13:36,692 that's great. 587 00:13:36,882 --> 00:13:37,231 Um, 588 00:13:37,351 --> 00:13:40,072 but if they also want off-site non-VPN, 589 00:13:40,392 --> 00:13:42,392 then what I need you to basically do is like, 590 00:13:42,711 --> 00:13:43,312 hi, 591 00:13:43,932 --> 00:13:46,262 corporate client Azure security team, 592 00:13:46,512 --> 00:13:48,211 can I open this headless VM 593 00:13:48,552 --> 00:13:51,271 to like the entire internet on these ports? 594 00:13:52,010 --> 00:13:52,900 And they're probably gonna be like, 595 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:53,900 no, 596 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:54,580 um, 597 00:13:54,789 --> 00:13:55,150 but like I, 598 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:55,510 I just, 599 00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:57,210 I simply don't understand their topology. 600 00:13:57,349 --> 00:13:59,429 So I was very brave and I typed up a, 601 00:13:59,500 --> 00:13:59,669 a, 602 00:13:59,750 --> 00:14:00,349 a very long, 603 00:14:00,510 --> 00:14:01,210 very complicated, 604 00:14:01,429 --> 00:14:03,750 very thoroughly explained and researched, 605 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:04,570 um, 606 00:14:04,630 --> 00:14:06,849 ticket to their team that basically said like, 607 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:08,570 don't know what the right move here is, 608 00:14:08,830 --> 00:14:09,799 here's what I would like, 609 00:14:10,030 --> 00:14:10,830 let me know, 610 00:14:11,130 --> 00:14:11,390 uh, 611 00:14:11,469 --> 00:14:12,010 but they haven't 612 00:14:12,119 --> 00:14:13,229 like responded to me today. 613 00:14:13,390 --> 00:14:14,770 So today I get to do, 614 00:14:15,070 --> 00:14:15,340 uh, 615 00:14:15,349 --> 00:14:16,229 non-corporate stuff. 616 00:14:16,510 --> 00:14:16,630 Yeah, 617 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:17,669 they may be on vacation. 618 00:14:18,265 --> 00:14:18,426 Uh, 619 00:14:18,505 --> 00:14:19,585 so that was a long tangent, 620 00:14:19,705 --> 00:14:21,625 but onto Heo's second question. 621 00:14:21,866 --> 00:14:23,346 How do the impending deaths of Horizon of, 622 00:14:23,426 --> 00:14:23,875 uh, 623 00:14:24,106 --> 00:14:25,906 worlds and Recrum affect stuff in general? 624 00:14:26,226 --> 00:14:26,466 Oh, 625 00:14:26,546 --> 00:14:28,445 they haven't really affected anything at all. 626 00:14:28,705 --> 00:14:30,346 We're talking internally like maybe we could 627 00:14:30,346 --> 00:14:32,945 like time something for the Recrum demise, 628 00:14:33,015 --> 00:14:34,666 like at a welcome event or something, 629 00:14:34,906 --> 00:14:35,265 but, 630 00:14:35,556 --> 00:14:36,106 um, 631 00:14:36,306 --> 00:14:36,935 it's like, 632 00:14:37,026 --> 00:14:37,536 hm, 633 00:14:37,745 --> 00:14:39,156 what is going on 634 00:14:39,306 --> 00:14:41,145 that like can capitalise there. 635 00:14:41,385 --> 00:14:43,056 So like the Recrum dying, 636 00:14:43,145 --> 00:14:43,505 it's like. 637 00:14:43,981 --> 00:14:44,142 Well, 638 00:14:44,192 --> 00:14:45,242 that's mostly 639 00:14:45,581 --> 00:14:48,052 people who we can't host on our platform because it's 640 00:14:48,052 --> 00:14:50,401 mostly like kids and they're mostly like 16 or, 641 00:14:50,411 --> 00:14:50,992 or younger, 642 00:14:51,302 --> 00:14:52,401 so we can't really host them. 643 00:14:52,781 --> 00:14:52,932 Uh, 644 00:14:52,942 --> 00:14:53,822 and then Horizon Worlds, 645 00:14:53,901 --> 00:14:55,052 no one really played that, 646 00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:55,262 so 647 00:14:55,942 --> 00:14:57,531 we haven't really got some like, 648 00:14:57,822 --> 00:14:58,401 you know, 649 00:14:58,721 --> 00:14:59,392 um, 650 00:14:59,771 --> 00:15:02,302 we haven't really got some like market to capitalise on there, 651 00:15:02,382 --> 00:15:02,611 but like, 652 00:15:02,661 --> 00:15:02,822 hey, 653 00:15:02,872 --> 00:15:03,372 we'll see. 654 00:15:03,581 --> 00:15:06,111 Lots of uh businesses and industry people are using the, 655 00:15:06,171 --> 00:15:09,361 the collapse of both of those platforms as like a, 656 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:10,150 Uh, 657 00:15:10,229 --> 00:15:10,390 you know, 658 00:15:10,469 --> 00:15:13,489 like a fire or a signal that like VR is dying. 659 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:14,150 Um, 660 00:15:14,390 --> 00:15:14,950 obviously we, 661 00:15:15,010 --> 00:15:15,150 we, 662 00:15:15,229 --> 00:15:15,349 we, 663 00:15:15,429 --> 00:15:16,049 we don't think, 664 00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:17,390 I do think that like, 665 00:15:17,609 --> 00:15:18,030 you know, 666 00:15:18,390 --> 00:15:18,630 heavy, 667 00:15:18,750 --> 00:15:19,869 heavy headsets are dying. 668 00:15:19,909 --> 00:15:21,030 Like that's the problem I think. 669 00:15:21,109 --> 00:15:22,630 We need like lighter headsets. 670 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:24,809 I am tired of like having radiators. 671 00:15:24,979 --> 00:15:25,260 Uh, 672 00:15:25,429 --> 00:15:28,109 Josh says something about the lines of like not, 673 00:15:28,309 --> 00:15:29,429 not knowing when 674 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:30,849 you're running down the wrong 675 00:15:31,229 --> 00:15:33,250 path of type analysis and utilisation. 676 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:36,080 It's subverting the type system rather than working with it. 677 00:15:36,299 --> 00:15:37,059 I agree, 678 00:15:37,260 --> 00:15:39,010 but like if it was up to me, 679 00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:40,809 we wouldn't have null on our codebase at all. 680 00:15:40,979 --> 00:15:44,750 Like I would just enable a rule globally on the entire codebase and say, 681 00:15:44,780 --> 00:15:44,929 hey, 682 00:15:44,979 --> 00:15:46,280 null isn't isn't allowed. 683 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:47,750 And uh 684 00:15:48,010 --> 00:15:48,710 then that would, 685 00:15:48,890 --> 00:15:49,969 it would self resolve it. 686 00:15:50,830 --> 00:15:51,909 All the code I write, 687 00:15:51,989 --> 00:15:54,419 I try and make it like it doesn't allow null. 688 00:15:54,630 --> 00:15:56,669 Like any entry point to new code I write, 689 00:15:56,750 --> 00:15:57,299 it's like, 690 00:15:57,309 --> 00:15:57,469 hey, 691 00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:58,549 if that parameter's null, 692 00:15:58,750 --> 00:15:59,690 piss off. 693 00:15:59,909 --> 00:16:00,469 Um, 694 00:16:00,710 --> 00:16:02,530 you guys will know that as 695 00:16:02,869 --> 00:16:04,270 argument null exception. 696 00:16:04,590 --> 00:16:05,390 throwbi null. 697 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:09,590 You just shove that at the top of your entry point to like an area of code, 698 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:10,190 it's just like, 699 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:10,359 guys, 700 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:10,559 you're, 701 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:11,599 you're just using me wrong, 702 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:11,880 I don't, 703 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:12,440 I don't allow. 704 00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:12,840 What, 705 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:16,440 what bothers me more than anything is when people use a nullable bull 706 00:16:16,599 --> 00:16:18,200 to be a tri-state boolean, 707 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:18,409 right, 708 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,380 so you've got true, 709 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:20,320 false, 710 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:21,159 and null. 711 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:21,950 I'm like, 712 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,559 I think you want an enum, 713 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:24,059 right? 714 00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:25,840 Result.s success, 715 00:16:26,239 --> 00:16:26,880 failure, 716 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:27,869 and unknown. 717 00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:30,950 Much better than a tri-state fucking bill. 718 00:16:31,650 --> 00:16:32,900 It's weird cos like I don't, 719 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:34,840 I don't understand how functional 720 00:16:35,369 --> 00:16:37,320 code bases grow to the size 721 00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:38,179 of like 722 00:16:38,409 --> 00:16:40,619 enterprise software without object oriented, 723 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:41,080 but 724 00:16:41,299 --> 00:16:41,919 there we go. 725 00:16:42,109 --> 00:16:42,799 Um, 726 00:16:43,140 --> 00:16:46,400 but I do wish there was more functional matters 727 00:16:46,539 --> 00:16:47,059 in 728 00:16:47,359 --> 00:16:48,409 object orientated codebase. 729 00:16:48,580 --> 00:16:50,679 Like the result pattern is so much better than like 730 00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:51,400 I am a. 731 00:16:52,650 --> 00:16:53,000 OK, 732 00:16:53,169 --> 00:16:53,400 here's, 733 00:16:53,450 --> 00:16:55,229 here's the worst result signature 734 00:16:55,690 --> 00:16:57,179 task bull nullable. 735 00:16:57,690 --> 00:16:58,039 OK, 736 00:16:58,210 --> 00:16:59,630 so it's an async method 737 00:17:00,090 --> 00:17:00,359 that 738 00:17:00,690 --> 00:17:01,669 can fail, 739 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:03,309 but if it succeeds, 740 00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:06,108 it's the option to tell you that it doesn't know what happened. 741 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:06,449 Uh, 742 00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:07,589 we have another question here though. 743 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:08,010 Uh, 744 00:17:08,130 --> 00:17:09,348 Qua says, 745 00:17:09,569 --> 00:17:13,180 inspired by a fairly brief and ultimately uneventful partial outage this weekend, 746 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:16,368 not really knowing if there was a way to harangue someone on call about it, 747 00:17:16,719 --> 00:17:17,810 so I pinged you and freaks, 748 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,410 just freaks, 749 00:17:18,608 --> 00:17:18,890 just freak. 750 00:17:19,134 --> 00:17:20,042 Have a an SLA? 751 00:17:20,093 --> 00:17:20,292 No. 752 00:17:20,493 --> 00:17:21,933 Does the public universe have an SLA? 753 00:17:22,323 --> 00:17:22,894 Or if something, 754 00:17:22,983 --> 00:17:23,163 uh, 755 00:17:23,213 --> 00:17:26,093 if something goes down at this point in a wider scale, 756 00:17:26,213 --> 00:17:27,673 then I recommend things to do here 757 00:17:28,053 --> 00:17:30,713 as a rando in the community for escalating if necessary. 758 00:17:30,973 --> 00:17:33,203 Make a GitHub request and get people to it. 759 00:17:34,024 --> 00:17:34,293 I don't, 760 00:17:34,364 --> 00:17:37,203 I don't mean that like I do mean that both sillililily, 761 00:17:37,654 --> 00:17:39,193 but also like, 762 00:17:39,413 --> 00:17:40,053 um, 763 00:17:40,333 --> 00:17:41,053 honestly as well, 764 00:17:41,173 --> 00:17:41,433 right? 765 00:17:41,573 --> 00:17:41,973 So 766 00:17:42,254 --> 00:17:45,534 one of the problems we had during some additional outage that we've had. 767 00:17:45,817 --> 00:17:46,517 Previously 768 00:17:46,738 --> 00:17:49,208 is that everyone was pinging fruit saying it's down, 769 00:17:49,218 --> 00:17:51,817 and they weren't specifying what was down or how they knew it 770 00:17:51,817 --> 00:17:54,767 was down or what the symptoms were or anything like that. 771 00:17:54,978 --> 00:17:56,618 And so the first thing he asked was like, 772 00:17:56,738 --> 00:17:56,817 hey, 773 00:17:56,897 --> 00:17:59,238 can you make a GitHub issue that describes why this is down, 774 00:17:59,407 --> 00:18:01,297 and then I'll be easily able to fix it. 775 00:18:01,447 --> 00:18:01,657 Uh, 776 00:18:01,738 --> 00:18:03,137 I would never advise pinging fruits. 777 00:18:03,177 --> 00:18:04,338 It's usually not the best way, 778 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:06,238 but I don't really have any other suggestions. 779 00:18:06,297 --> 00:18:06,838 Um, 780 00:18:07,098 --> 00:18:09,868 we do have what looks to be an outage in the 781 00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:11,317 moderation portal, 782 00:18:11,858 --> 00:18:12,137 an ex-cloud. 783 00:18:12,531 --> 00:18:13,621 and wiki right now. 784 00:18:13,781 --> 00:18:14,021 Um, 785 00:18:14,082 --> 00:18:17,141 I do intend to resolve that immediately following office hours, 786 00:18:17,222 --> 00:18:18,661 but I didn't want to cancel office hours, 787 00:18:18,781 --> 00:18:19,082 so 788 00:18:19,302 --> 00:18:19,651 we'll just, 789 00:18:19,702 --> 00:18:19,862 you know, 790 00:18:19,972 --> 00:18:21,362 have an hour of downtime there. 791 00:18:21,621 --> 00:18:21,812 Uh, 792 00:18:21,901 --> 00:18:25,602 if you are in a modern code base and you see task boo question mark, 793 00:18:25,822 --> 00:18:27,452 and you can't really do much changes, 794 00:18:27,702 --> 00:18:28,371 consider a topple. 795 00:18:28,462 --> 00:18:29,491 You could do task, 796 00:18:29,682 --> 00:18:31,421 tuple brackets or square bracket, 797 00:18:31,482 --> 00:18:31,901 I don't remember, 798 00:18:32,041 --> 00:18:32,302 but whatever, 799 00:18:32,342 --> 00:18:33,141 you could do like boo, 800 00:18:33,501 --> 00:18:34,082 question mark, 801 00:18:34,092 --> 00:18:34,602 string 802 00:18:34,901 --> 00:18:35,281 and 803 00:18:35,942 --> 00:18:37,041 immediately, 804 00:18:37,342 --> 00:18:38,222 slightly better. 805 00:18:38,421 --> 00:18:38,822 Still got. 806 00:18:38,946 --> 00:18:39,696 damn awful, 807 00:18:39,826 --> 00:18:41,015 but slightly better, 808 00:18:41,186 --> 00:18:42,026 because at least with the string, 809 00:18:42,105 --> 00:18:43,566 you can kind of figure out what's going on, 810 00:18:43,576 --> 00:18:45,015 or at least log it to the log file. 811 00:18:45,066 --> 00:18:45,265 I mean, 812 00:18:45,306 --> 00:18:45,576 like, 813 00:18:45,586 --> 00:18:46,605 more optimally, 814 00:18:46,916 --> 00:18:47,725 you just do 815 00:18:47,855 --> 00:18:48,816 taskable, 816 00:18:49,395 --> 00:18:49,965 uh, 817 00:18:49,985 --> 00:18:50,446 result 818 00:18:50,625 --> 00:18:51,625 as like an enum, 819 00:18:51,826 --> 00:18:52,526 but at that point, 820 00:18:52,656 --> 00:18:53,465 you don't need the ball, 821 00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:54,806 so you just do task result, 822 00:18:54,826 --> 00:18:55,586 and at that point you're like, 823 00:18:55,625 --> 00:18:55,745 oh, 824 00:18:55,826 --> 00:18:57,345 I could write my own result class, 825 00:18:57,426 --> 00:18:57,755 and I'm like, 826 00:18:57,826 --> 00:18:57,906 no, 827 00:18:57,995 --> 00:18:59,066 just go use fluent results. 828 00:18:59,265 --> 00:19:02,206 For anyone who doesn't like C and is wondering why, 829 00:19:02,426 --> 00:19:04,245 if you read the fluent result page, 830 00:19:04,505 --> 00:19:05,446 you might be like, 831 00:19:05,456 --> 00:19:05,465 ah. 832 00:19:05,869 --> 00:19:06,140 Yeah, 833 00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:07,180 that's why I don't like it, 834 00:19:07,189 --> 00:19:08,180 because I didn't have this. 835 00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:09,599 And if that isn't enough, 836 00:19:09,670 --> 00:19:10,099 um, 837 00:19:10,349 --> 00:19:11,689 then you can go here 838 00:19:11,819 --> 00:19:13,430 and die cause it's very, 839 00:19:13,550 --> 00:19:13,709 very, 840 00:19:13,829 --> 00:19:15,329 very complicated and thick. 841 00:19:15,579 --> 00:19:15,930 But, 842 00:19:15,949 --> 00:19:16,250 uh, 843 00:19:16,260 --> 00:19:21,180 Luthi language extensions adds a bunch of functional programming stuff to C, 844 00:19:21,709 --> 00:19:22,069 um, 845 00:19:22,270 --> 00:19:22,949 but it is like, 846 00:19:23,030 --> 00:19:24,170 it's one of the thickest 847 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:26,140 read mes I've ever seen. 848 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:26,949 It is like I've. 849 00:19:27,066 --> 00:19:29,125 Read it like 5 times in a row, 850 00:19:29,336 --> 00:19:29,625 um, 851 00:19:29,745 --> 00:19:32,465 but it implements all the monads that you might be useful to. 852 00:19:32,576 --> 00:19:33,406 It's like option, 853 00:19:33,546 --> 00:19:33,965 either, 854 00:19:34,196 --> 00:19:34,666 thin, 855 00:19:34,865 --> 00:19:35,645 like all of them. 856 00:19:36,475 --> 00:19:36,826 Babertine says, 857 00:19:36,865 --> 00:19:37,806 when are you going to transition, 858 00:19:37,865 --> 00:19:38,015 uh, 859 00:19:38,026 --> 00:19:39,605 resonate to using an FX library? 860 00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:40,485 It's interesting, 861 00:19:40,786 --> 00:19:41,156 um, 862 00:19:41,225 --> 00:19:42,845 that you say that because like 863 00:19:42,946 --> 00:19:45,706 if you look into like UI based languages like, 864 00:19:45,906 --> 00:19:46,475 um, 865 00:19:46,906 --> 00:19:48,105 all the like Xama ones. 866 00:19:48,222 --> 00:19:48,352 I, 867 00:19:48,482 --> 00:19:48,612 I, 868 00:19:48,661 --> 00:19:50,562 I can't keep up to date with how many there are, 869 00:19:50,862 --> 00:19:51,182 um, 870 00:19:51,302 --> 00:19:52,222 but they have, 871 00:19:52,501 --> 00:19:55,271 they have this interface called I notify property change, 872 00:19:55,342 --> 00:19:55,822 um, 873 00:19:55,942 --> 00:19:56,192 and there's, 874 00:19:56,222 --> 00:19:57,552 there's various other types of it, 875 00:19:57,661 --> 00:19:59,202 but like that's how you sort of 876 00:19:59,452 --> 00:20:01,001 pick up on the fact that 877 00:20:01,381 --> 00:20:02,482 stuff is reactive 878 00:20:02,661 --> 00:20:02,862 and it, 879 00:20:02,901 --> 00:20:03,011 it, 880 00:20:03,062 --> 00:20:04,421 it tends up to be like 881 00:20:04,671 --> 00:20:07,161 a lot like how we do our data model, 882 00:20:07,261 --> 00:20:07,501 um, 883 00:20:07,781 --> 00:20:08,442 that's the, 884 00:20:08,462 --> 00:20:09,182 uh. 885 00:20:09,969 --> 00:20:10,520 So what I, 886 00:20:10,569 --> 00:20:13,069 I tend to use for UI is reactive UI, 887 00:20:13,369 --> 00:20:13,709 um, 888 00:20:13,719 --> 00:20:14,560 which I just linked, 889 00:20:14,689 --> 00:20:14,880 uh, 890 00:20:14,890 --> 00:20:15,949 but that even that 891 00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:17,150 turns into 892 00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:18,150 like 893 00:20:18,469 --> 00:20:19,609 something like 894 00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:20,890 our um 895 00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:22,010 sinky doodad, 896 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:23,510 uh cos you can make 897 00:20:23,849 --> 00:20:27,410 any model reactive with some like annotations and they just like generate a bunch. 898 00:20:27,834 --> 00:20:29,755 So me as a naive uh person, 899 00:20:29,795 --> 00:20:30,375 I'm like, 900 00:20:30,395 --> 00:20:31,935 is this applicable to a resonate? 901 00:20:32,104 --> 00:20:33,084 And the answer is probably not, 902 00:20:33,114 --> 00:20:33,515 cos we're, 903 00:20:33,625 --> 00:20:35,915 we're not synchronising between UI threads, 904 00:20:35,944 --> 00:20:37,025 we're synchronising between computer. 905 00:20:37,155 --> 00:20:37,265 Yeah, 906 00:20:37,275 --> 00:20:37,834 I want, 907 00:20:37,915 --> 00:20:38,584 um, 908 00:20:38,795 --> 00:20:39,334 I don't 909 00:20:39,555 --> 00:20:41,895 really understand why the feature is called this, 910 00:20:42,194 --> 00:20:42,655 but 911 00:20:42,944 --> 00:20:44,925 discriminated unions in C. 912 00:20:45,594 --> 00:20:45,875 Like I, 913 00:20:45,954 --> 00:20:47,714 I don't call them discriminated unions. 914 00:20:47,755 --> 00:20:48,954 I'm like that thing I want. 915 00:20:49,719 --> 00:20:50,050 Uh, 916 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:52,319 Kuala's is one of the best cheeses for a grilled cheese, 917 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:53,420 so you actually want 918 00:20:53,719 --> 00:20:55,680 two cheeses in your grilled cheese. 919 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,449 You want a flavorful cheese, 920 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,959 which is like choice, 921 00:20:59,150 --> 00:21:01,060 whatever you want for like cheese flavour, 922 00:21:01,319 --> 00:21:02,699 but you wanna mix in some, 923 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,530 um, 924 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:04,479 like more goopy, 925 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,439 stringy cheese. 926 00:21:05,645 --> 00:21:07,015 To get like the cheese pull, 927 00:21:07,204 --> 00:21:09,834 uh for that you'd like want mozzarella or something like that, 928 00:21:10,165 --> 00:21:11,704 there's there's cheeses that like 929 00:21:12,045 --> 00:21:15,484 melt and cheese pull better and there are cheeses that taste a bit like concrete. 930 00:21:15,564 --> 00:21:16,964 Do you know concrete's really complicated, 931 00:21:17,005 --> 00:21:19,165 like you can add and remove so many different 932 00:21:19,165 --> 00:21:21,305 like additives to concrete to change how it works. 933 00:21:22,750 --> 00:21:24,719 Grilled cheese is a lot like concrete 934 00:21:25,109 --> 00:21:26,099 2026. 935 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:27,739 I'm looking for a, 936 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,290 like a good guide into what discriminated unions would be for you guys, 937 00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:33,790 but I don't understand some of these articles. 938 00:21:34,069 --> 00:21:34,589 So like, 939 00:21:34,709 --> 00:21:35,180 you know, 940 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:35,790 they're like, 941 00:21:36,069 --> 00:21:38,060 here's discriminated unions in C, 942 00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:38,589 and then they're like, 943 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:40,589 here's some mathematics and some latex diagram. 944 00:21:40,739 --> 00:21:41,869 This is a great article, 945 00:21:41,949 --> 00:21:44,430 but it talks about them before it knew that .NET was getting them, 946 00:21:44,550 --> 00:21:46,270 so it's like using some like thing. 947 00:21:46,516 --> 00:21:46,746 Uh, 948 00:21:46,756 --> 00:21:48,057 and then here's the like learn. 949 00:21:48,237 --> 00:21:49,366 Microsoft page for it. 950 00:21:49,597 --> 00:21:49,827 But yeah, 951 00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:49,947 it, 952 00:21:50,036 --> 00:21:52,656 it's basically a solve to this whole problem of like 953 00:21:52,786 --> 00:21:53,237 null, 954 00:21:53,347 --> 00:21:54,996 it's like another solve for the null problem. 955 00:21:55,116 --> 00:21:56,796 If you want like unions or stuff like that, 956 00:21:56,886 --> 00:21:56,996 you, 957 00:21:57,107 --> 00:21:58,097 you need new collection. 958 00:21:58,266 --> 00:21:58,396 Like, 959 00:21:58,437 --> 00:21:58,717 bro, 960 00:21:58,796 --> 00:21:59,077 the day, 961 00:21:59,156 --> 00:22:00,457 the day we get collections 962 00:22:00,876 --> 00:22:02,107 and nested nodes, 963 00:22:02,317 --> 00:22:02,477 alright, 964 00:22:02,557 --> 00:22:03,636 do we have other questions? 965 00:22:03,837 --> 00:22:04,116 Epic, 966 00:22:04,197 --> 00:22:05,116 cos there's no more questions, 967 00:22:05,197 --> 00:22:07,776 I've gotta take the dog for a walk around the block and then uh 968 00:22:08,036 --> 00:22:09,296 fix the wiki 969 00:22:09,677 --> 00:22:10,097 next. 970 00:22:10,244 --> 00:22:11,244 And the moderation. 971 00:22:11,963 --> 00:22:12,083 Uh, 972 00:22:12,124 --> 00:22:12,364 it's, 973 00:22:12,443 --> 00:22:13,404 it's very logical though. 974 00:22:13,443 --> 00:22:14,644 It's a file space issue. 975 00:22:14,703 --> 00:22:17,443 So what I'm gonna do is go find out what's like eating file space, 976 00:22:17,673 --> 00:22:17,843 uh, 977 00:22:17,923 --> 00:22:18,504 and then 978 00:22:18,734 --> 00:22:20,604 shove as much of that as possible in R2. 979 00:22:20,764 --> 00:22:21,364 I know for example, 980 00:22:21,404 --> 00:22:22,543 you can configure, 981 00:22:22,884 --> 00:22:23,494 um, 982 00:22:23,884 --> 00:22:26,843 Nextcloud to use S3 as a document storage. 983 00:22:26,923 --> 00:22:28,313 So with like a couple of edits, 984 00:22:28,323 --> 00:22:29,303 I should be able to 985 00:22:29,563 --> 00:22:29,803 be like, 986 00:22:29,923 --> 00:22:30,384 hey, 987 00:22:30,604 --> 00:22:31,264 all of our 988 00:22:31,524 --> 00:22:33,443 PowerPoints and stuff are on Nex, 989 00:22:33,604 --> 00:22:33,754 are, 990 00:22:33,764 --> 00:22:34,043 are on. 991 00:22:34,331 --> 00:22:36,370 R2 now but like surface to Nextcloud, 992 00:22:36,451 --> 00:22:39,020 that'll be cool cos that would get rid of a lot of file space. 993 00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:39,750 But then 994 00:22:40,051 --> 00:22:41,250 one of the other problems I've noticed, 995 00:22:41,331 --> 00:22:42,520 and actually you saw me make a, 996 00:22:42,531 --> 00:22:44,630 a um a GitHub issue about this one, 997 00:22:45,571 --> 00:22:46,110 in 998 00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:48,020 the flat card Linux setup, 999 00:22:48,211 --> 00:22:49,340 we don't want 1000 00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:51,230 the headless logging to file 1001 00:22:51,571 --> 00:22:54,120 because the logs are flowed through Journal, 1002 00:22:54,370 --> 00:22:55,791 which is System D's 1003 00:22:55,931 --> 00:22:57,890 like logging thingy the bobby. 1004 00:22:58,239 --> 00:22:58,920 Um, 1005 00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,729 and 1006 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,869 that means we don't need additional file logging. 1007 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,599 Like Journal already does that for us, 1008 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:03,839 and, 1009 00:23:03,949 --> 00:23:04,599 and not only that, 1010 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,839 Journal will rotate logs as well, 1011 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,630 whereas I don't think there's any logic that would be like, 1012 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,439 hi, 1013 00:23:11,989 --> 00:23:12,760 or like headless, 1014 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:15,599 the machine you're trying to write a log file to is kind of full, 1015 00:23:15,719 --> 00:23:15,959 could you, 1016 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:16,739 could you not? 1017 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,660 One of the things I was thinking of doing with like uh 1018 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:21,430 Docker setup is like, 1019 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,219 hey, 1020 00:23:22,489 --> 00:23:23,060 uh, 1021 00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:26,079 if we bind the log directory to Devkull. 1022 00:23:27,050 --> 00:23:27,729 Will that work? 1023 00:23:27,939 --> 00:23:28,810 Like resident will be like, 1024 00:23:28,859 --> 00:23:28,969 yeah, 1025 00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:30,010 I'm writing log files, 1026 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:30,969 I'm writing log files, 1027 00:23:31,020 --> 00:23:32,339 and meanwhile the computer's just go, 1028 00:23:32,459 --> 00:23:33,000 yeah, 1029 00:23:33,819 --> 00:23:34,339 carry on. 1030 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:35,650 Let's get you back to bed. 1031 00:23:36,020 --> 00:23:37,119 Resonite headless. 1032 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:38,579 You're not writing log files, 1033 00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:39,140 you're writing to 1034 00:23:39,310 --> 00:23:39,319 know. 1035 00:23:39,780 --> 00:23:39,969 But yeah, 1036 00:23:40,060 --> 00:23:41,060 much easier to just turn those off. 1037 00:23:41,290 --> 00:23:41,609 Ah, 1038 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:42,280 so 1039 00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:43,859 for the wiki and Nextcloud, 1040 00:23:43,939 --> 00:23:44,939 they aren't using journal, 1041 00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:45,609 um, 1042 00:23:45,699 --> 00:23:46,709 they'll be in the, 1043 00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:47,280 uh, 1044 00:23:47,339 --> 00:23:48,260 Docker log engine, 1045 00:23:48,290 --> 00:23:49,780 which I believe also handles rotating, 1046 00:23:49,859 --> 00:23:50,099 but I'm, 1047 00:23:50,170 --> 00:23:50,699 I'm not entirely. 1048 00:23:50,819 --> 00:23:51,359 As a reminder, 1049 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:52,540 my goal for the machine. 1050 00:23:52,635 --> 00:23:53,714 That runs the wiki, 1051 00:23:53,834 --> 00:23:57,334 Nextcloud support and all that other stuff is to delete it. 1052 00:23:57,515 --> 00:23:57,834 Um, 1053 00:23:58,114 --> 00:23:58,635 so we, 1054 00:23:58,675 --> 00:23:59,185 we're getting there. 1055 00:23:59,354 --> 00:24:00,584 Some of this header stuff is actually helping. 1056 00:24:00,635 --> 00:24:00,785 Like, 1057 00:24:00,795 --> 00:24:01,175 I could 1058 00:24:01,635 --> 00:24:06,234 theoretically stand up like now a VM for us that would have the stuff that we need, 1059 00:24:06,435 --> 00:24:07,175 including the wiki, 1060 00:24:07,385 --> 00:24:07,625 but, 1061 00:24:07,795 --> 00:24:08,234 uh, 1062 00:24:08,395 --> 00:24:10,074 I'd also be stepping on someone's toes cause, 1063 00:24:10,194 --> 00:24:10,594 cause 1064 00:24:10,795 --> 00:24:11,814 Jay is trying to do that. 1065 00:24:12,275 --> 00:24:13,035 But that happens naturally. 1066 00:24:13,074 --> 00:24:13,944 It's never intentional. 1067 00:24:13,954 --> 00:24:14,584 It's just like, 1068 00:24:14,834 --> 00:24:15,234 hey, 1069 00:24:15,375 --> 00:24:16,155 corporate clients, 1070 00:24:16,234 --> 00:24:17,214 corporate clienting, 1071 00:24:17,474 --> 00:24:18,545 they want this thing this month, 1072 00:24:18,795 --> 00:24:19,155 next month, 1073 00:24:19,194 --> 00:24:19,915 they might want something. 1074 00:24:20,114 --> 00:24:20,234 Yeah, 1075 00:24:20,314 --> 00:24:20,895 I will.