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let's stop the hour,

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so we can go ahead and get started.

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Welcome to office hours,

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you can ask any questions you want,

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they can go in the questions thread.

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If you're not always sure what's going on,

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um,

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I don't know,

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maybe read our event feed or something.

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And uh I'll just link the forum thread across in the side chat as well.

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So let's go ahead and,

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and,

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and,

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and do that.

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The emergency temple shift says,

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what's the dog doing?

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The dog is uh digging in the couch and they've managed to like

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pull

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enough of the blanket out of my

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crevices of the couch that uh I need to redo it.

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They usually don't manage to do that,

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but like the couch is especially like

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messy in terms of all the blankets I've got it.

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My couch is basically just like a collection of blankets,

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um,

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I'm sure some of you are the same.

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Uh,

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walking forwards,

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I don't know why I'm talking about walking,

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but there we go.

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Uh,

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Epigeon says,

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are you planning on having a server presence on other platforms?

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So

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this is a complex topic

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because it like,

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It straddles the line of like

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personal choices and business choices,

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right?

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personal choices,

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we wouldn't have a Discord server,

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we wouldn't be on X,

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we wouldn't be on Blue Sky,

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we'd be purely on federated stuff like Mastodon or some other federated,

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whatever the hell

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the federated thing is,

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but like Federation.

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I don't like Blue Skies Federation,

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but I don't remember why I don't like Blue Skies Federation,

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so I need to like re-research that.

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but yeah,

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like we wouldn't be on YouTube,

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we'd just be on PeerTube,

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like this is all my personal like reaction,

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right,

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and my personal opinion is like we should just do like

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federated everything,

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uh,

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but

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business wise,

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we basically like cut our audience into like 10% of what it was,

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right?

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because that's like a,

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a,

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like a,

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a company that's using social media,

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you need to be as everywhere that you can.

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Like I don't think we're on Instagram right now,

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but we should hecking be on Instagram

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because of the like reels or whatever they're called over on Instagram.

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We should also be on Facebook,

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Facebook reels as well,

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we should be

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everywhere,

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we should have like presences everywhere.

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Like if you go on the subway,

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we should have a Subway advert,

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right?

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That's what a business needs to do to grow.

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But that is different

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than like personal objections to like policy and stuff like that.

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And so you have to like separate those.

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There's also the element of business as well,

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like for you,

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like

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picking anyone random here at Eastern,

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swapping between Discord and Fluorop or

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Beepbop or Ropboop boop ba boop

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is very quick,

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right?

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You um make a new account,

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you,

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you set your profile to be like,

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yo,

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I've moved over to this account.

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Whatever it is,

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cool,

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um,

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it's like,

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hey,

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done.

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for a business,

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there's much more to that,

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right?

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So we have a bunch of integrations of Discord that handle various things,

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we have a,

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a bunch of sort of information inside the Discord,

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etc.

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we have a bunch of like APIs and like SDKs and web hooks,

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and we also have a community here.

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so we can't just instantly drop that.

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we can't,

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but again,

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like whatever audience is on here,

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some smaller percentage of that would follow us to wherever we're going.

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And I did like say this in the team like the team Discord,

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like I think last week sometime,

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it's like I can't change platforms every 6 months

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and neither can um the company.

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We can try our best to be in as many places as possible,

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but like

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for now we're gonna be on Discord,

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and then

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probably in like a week or two when it starts getting closer to,

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to uh February,

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uh another team member will bring it up as a,

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as a topic of conversation,

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maybe at one of our meetings and we'll talk about it and we'll see what we wanna do.

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But whatever we do do,

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do do,

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whatever we do do,

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it'll be slow,

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in some cases slower than you might want it to be,

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but you,

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you just kind of have to like separate it.

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We also have that problem in like politics as well,

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the reason why so many communities are like

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don't do that is because it's very divisive,

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and what that means is like it divides people,

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if you look at polling numbers and you just go like,

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well it's,

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it's like 50/50 in America,

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it's like,

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That it's like cool,

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we have the potential

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based on just polling numbers

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to lose half of our audience if we align

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ourselves one way politically or another way politically,

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it's like,

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it's difficult to do that as well.

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One of the other problems is that we are a business,

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and because we are a business,

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we have

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business obligations that go beyond the obligations of a regular user.

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sometimes we do,

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sometimes we don't.

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We have to read the terms of service,

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the privacy policy,

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etc.

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of all the tools that we use for our community

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to make sure that they align with our goals.

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A good example of where we don't align would be the Active Sessions channel,

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that's up in this Discord.

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We had to disable session thumbnails for

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that because we have different policies on nipples

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than Discord.

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that exposed,

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I mean legal liability is the wrong word cos it's Discord,

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but it exposed our Discord server

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liability in terms of like being shut down or reported because

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we had that misalignment.

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But that misalignment and legal restrictions goes

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than we're able to control,

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because we are a European company

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and we are part of the European Union,

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and like every European Union country right now is signing age verification laws.

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unless it's self-hosted.

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to be on a platform that adds age verification.

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it's gonna happen.

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we can fight it,

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we can hop over to bleep blop and floop blop and boopydi boop,

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unless those are self-hosted,

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it's gonna require age verification within like a year or two anyway.

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cos then if it's self-hosted,

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now we have to stand up like effectively like space in someone's brain to be like

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maintain it,

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let's make sure it's like hardened against security issues,

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and let's make sure it doesn't go down.

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Someone asked me about the wiki performance,

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someone asked me about that.

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just put wiki performance question mark,

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So again it sort of comes to the point where like,

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now we're on a self-hosted instance.

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Now let's say that we get as big as like VR chat or um

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or Mixer back in the day.

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we have like Mixer ended with about I think like 130 million monthly active users.

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that number is hyperinflated,

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but like again,

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Ask me a question about that one and I'll talk about it.

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so at that

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point.

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We're big enough as a company

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where the individual laws start applying to us directly as a company

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rather than to the platforms that we use or operate within.

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now we're on a self-hosted um like Discord replacement

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that's like secure behind our own firewall,

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whatever,

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blah blah blah blah,

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um,

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but the European Union is sending us a letter and saying,

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you're not compliant.

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I don't

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usually recommend people going to this location,

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and I won't post a link for it,

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but if you know how to get there,

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you know how to get there.

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There's a part of the horrible forum Kiwi Farms,

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which is entirely self-hosted by one very angry person.

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called like

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get this off the internet or somewhere,

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and it's all the legal notices that,

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various like firms,

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companies,

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establishments send to Kiwi Farms,

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and,

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uh,

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if you know the content of Kiwi Farms,

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they get a lot.

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Um,

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glazing over what's on Kiwi Farms,

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um,

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one of the threads is Ofcom,

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which is the UK like

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media and Broadcasting and Internet Authority.

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Um,

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all the companies for like official business in the UK,

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not all of them,

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but like a lot of them,

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they start with off,

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um,

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cos it's more like official

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com,

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official.

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Communications,

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right,

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um,

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the body that controls the schools is called Ofsted,

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uh,

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I don't know what the,

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the,

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like second half of that stands,

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but like if you were in a UK school you knew what Ofsted meant.

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Uh,

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so Ofcom.

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Are repeatedly sending emails to Kiwi Farms and Fourchan who have now formed like a,

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a,

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a like,

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legal alliance under the same lawyer,

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to basically tell Ofcom to go away cos they don't host their,

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their services in,

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in the European Union or anywhere close to the UK

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but Ofcom's sending them like daily emails,

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that's like,

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hey,

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you don't do age verification,

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hey,

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you're like breaking all these hate speech laws and,

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The Kiwi Farms and 4chan users,

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uh,

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like administrators are just like emailing back like memes and

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stuff because like they don't think that they are,

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um,

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susceptible to that.

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And then it becomes a sort of like,

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well,

339
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you're getting into sort of international law here,

340
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right?

341
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And that's all because they're self-hosted.

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And so if you don't think it'll happen to us if we self-host stuff.

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We

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It will happen if we get as big as we would like.

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So at that point,

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we'd end up having to implement our own age verification,

347
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at which point everyone's gonna be like,

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let's leave resonite cause it's doing age verification.

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Like,

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the

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problem.

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Isn't

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like age verification itself,

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the problem is the laws that are requiring age verification,

355
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which are allowing companies,

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this is getting like to prime soapbox here,

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so,

358
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like,

359
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take it with a grain of salt,

360
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it goes back to the yellow dog band starts a little bit,

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but

362
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um.

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The companies that are capitalising on poor wording in age verification laws

364
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because the people writing the age verification laws

365
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don't understand what the internet is.

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Um,

367
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so it's really difficult because it's coming for all of us.

368
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Um,

369
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it won't come for like,

370
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I don't know,

371
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like your niche internet community around,

372
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I don't know,

373
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Space Station 13,

374
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like your private Space Station 13 server.

375
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Sorry to pick on Space Station 13,

376
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but I was looking for something incredibly niche,

377
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and that's like very niche,

378
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right?

379
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Um.

380
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They won't come for you cos you're too small,

381
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but if resonite gets as big as we would like it to,

382
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they're,

383
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they're gonna come.

384
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So

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that,

386
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going back to,

387
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you know,

388
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the yellow dog beds starts,

389
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that

390
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is why we have to sort of

391
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take more time and do slower things here.

392
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We have to sort of figure out what we wanna do.

393
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So it hasn't been raised as like a a larger meaning topic yet.

394
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There's been some side channel conversations in our in our team Discord about it,

395
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but we don't have like an official stance.

396
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Uh,

397
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to re-clarify at the end of my like tirade of rant,

398
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my like personal stance is I wanna be on federated everything,

399
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and I'm talking proper federation,

400
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not blue sky federation

401
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and.

402
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Uh,

403
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that is like,

404
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that's what I want,

405
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and that's what I wanna set up for my stuff as well,

406
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like,

407
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uh,

408
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people are like,

409
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I should get a blog and

410
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blah blah blah and blah blah blah,

411
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and I'm just like,

412
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well if I'm gonna do that,

413
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I'm gonna go the whole hog and I'm gonna do like federated everything.

414
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Like all my tutorials will be on YouTube and PeerTube,

415
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um,

416
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etc.

417
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Uh,

418
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Easton saying,

419
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um,

420
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that,

421
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um,

422
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she's really annoyed that all of this is happening

423
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because parents don't want to parent their damn kids.

424
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Back in my day

425
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Tips my hat,

426
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puts on my glasses,

427
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um.

428
00:11:36.409 --> 00:11:39.150
A lot of like kids around the area that I lived in

429
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were basically like

430
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uh I don't know,

431
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like in the morning they were kicked out of the house,

432
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you know,

433
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their,

434
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their parents would say get out of the house,

435
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go play.

436
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And they would just like roam and explore on their

437
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bicycles and they would like do all sorts of stuff.

438
00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:53.830
If you're looking for a good analogy like the

439
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earlier seasons of Stranger Things,

440
00:11:55.760 --> 00:11:55.950
right,

441
00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:56.460
where

442
00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:57.030
the,

443
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the friend group there are just sort of riding to each other's houses,

444
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going to the diner,

445
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going bowling,

446
00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:03.270
like all that sort of stuff,

447
00:12:03.479 --> 00:12:04.640
like that's what we used to do.

448
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And

449
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Back in that day.

450
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Again,

451
00:12:10.070 --> 00:12:10.500
like,

452
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maybe like the parents had conversations when people came home and were like,

453
00:12:14.549 --> 00:12:14.710
hey,

454
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you have fun at the

455
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like bowl rama,

456
00:12:16.950 --> 00:12:17.109
right,

457
00:12:17.150 --> 00:12:19.630
and if anything weird happened it could be resolved that way.

458
00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:22.229
I think the only thing that's changed is,

459
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is,

460
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is what what Easter is,

461
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which is the conversation,

462
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you know.

463
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If you come back from like an epic bike ride for like the entire day,

464
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they'll be like,

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oh son,

466
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did you have a good day?

467
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And it's like,

468
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yes,

469
00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:31.799
I had a good day,

470
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but this like strange person was following me with a knife,

471
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and it's like,

472
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alright,

473
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we'll get that fixed,

474
00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:35.799
right,

475
00:12:35.880 --> 00:12:37.150
that's really easy to fix.

476
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Um,

477
00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.059
they could just go ahead and and and sort that out,

478
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right?

479
00:12:40.760 --> 00:12:43.309
But the internet is just like so broader that it's like,

480
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well,

481
00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:44.750
well how do you do that?

482
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And

483
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You're right,

484
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the the,

485
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the,

486
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the,

487
00:12:48.780 --> 00:12:50.880
the true answer there is like better parenting,

488
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but like,

489
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they've tried that,

490
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um like Discord has like a.

491
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Parent-centric website and book and all sorts of stuff like that,

492
00:13:00.479 --> 00:13:04.010
so like they're trying to do it and parents are just like oh we don't like,

493
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I don't know,

494
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67,

495
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right,

496
00:13:06.119 --> 00:13:07.179
so uh,

497
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what are the alternatives?

498
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What I do want you guys to think about as well

499
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is like,

500
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how would you like age verification to work?

501
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Like assuming you have to do it for some sort of reason,

502
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how would you like it to work?

503
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Just have an opinion on that and figure it out

504
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because,

505
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uh,

506
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one day,

507
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and

508
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we'll resist it as much as we can,

509
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but one day it might come to resonate and at that point,

510
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we'd love

511
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to sort of figure out if there's a way to do it that,

512
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that is,

513
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is

514
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better than,

515
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than

516
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other methodologies of doing it.

517
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So.

518
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So,

519
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so

520
00:13:42.890 --> 00:13:43.719
think about that.

521
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Like I said,

522
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we're not anytime soon,

523
00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:46.929
but like

524
00:13:47.090 --> 00:13:48.250
if we get as big as we get,

525
00:13:48.369 --> 00:13:48.770
like the,

526
00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:50.909
the government is gonna start sending us emails.

527
00:13:58.820 --> 00:14:00.090
I mean there's like a like I don't know,

528
00:14:00.140 --> 00:14:01.650
I think cryptography can help here,

529
00:14:01.700 --> 00:14:04.340
I don't quite know how because the only way I operate

530
00:14:04.340 --> 00:14:07.570
with cryptography is I I like Google and research and like

531
00:14:07.820 --> 00:14:09.200
read books and stuff but

532
00:14:09.380 --> 00:14:12.179
like I think there's like a a cryptographic solution here.

533
00:14:14.140 --> 00:14:14.229
Yeah,

534
00:14:14.270 --> 00:14:15.640
I got a debit card at 16,

535
00:14:15.719 --> 00:14:17.010
so like it doesn't really work,

536
00:14:17.070 --> 00:14:17.469
um.

537
00:14:22.400 --> 00:14:23.840
The other thing about the debit card right,

538
00:14:23.880 --> 00:14:24.239
is you,

539
00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:27.239
you probably gave your date of birth or ID to the debit card platform,

540
00:14:27.359 --> 00:14:30.229
so if they have a data breach then like it's still leaked.

541
00:14:30.400 --> 00:14:34.020
And I know that like payment providers are like usually more secure.

542
00:14:35.020 --> 00:14:35.690
Um,

543
00:14:36.020 --> 00:14:37.580
but like not infallible.

544
00:14:47.989 --> 00:14:49.140
So like I hope,

545
00:14:49.400 --> 00:14:51.710
I hope no one thought any of my takes in that

546
00:14:51.710 --> 00:14:53.150
particular line of questioning were like

547
00:14:53.150 --> 00:14:55.270
outrageous because honestly it's just like

548
00:14:55.929 --> 00:14:58.909
and I like I'm gonna swear it's my own podcast or whatever you wanna call it.

549
00:14:59.239 --> 00:14:59.919
It's just like,

550
00:14:59.960 --> 00:15:02.000
you know that like image where like you know the man's got

551
00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:04.770
his hands ruffled through his hair and it's just like fuck.

552
00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:06.539
Like that's that's the internet right now,

553
00:15:06.599 --> 00:15:07.979
like we're all just trying to survive.

554
00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:13.070
Like the Twitch remote one,

555
00:15:13.239 --> 00:15:13.760
not like this,

556
00:15:13.849 --> 00:15:13.960
yeah,

557
00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:15.080
they're not like this Twitcher remote,

558
00:15:15.119 --> 00:15:16.179
hold on I'll just go grab it.

559
00:15:31.669 --> 00:15:31.799
Uh,

560
00:15:31.809 --> 00:15:33.020
Eyston says my takes were not bad,

561
00:15:33.099 --> 00:15:33.460
excellent,

562
00:15:33.580 --> 00:15:36.380
cos sometimes it feels like if I say anything on these particular topics,

563
00:15:36.419 --> 00:15:38.179
I'm gonna get some pitchforks heading in my direction.

564
00:15:38.260 --> 00:15:39.419
It's like I don't want pitchforks,

565
00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:39.780
man.

566
00:15:39.940 --> 00:15:41.169
I'm just trying to do the right thing.

567
00:15:41.380 --> 00:15:42.320
That's all I'm trying to do.

568
00:15:42.950 --> 00:15:45.070
It's so difficult to do the right thing these days though.

569
00:15:48.820 --> 00:15:49.169
Remember,

570
00:15:49.219 --> 00:15:50.200
we don't sell your data.

571
00:15:50.619 --> 00:15:52.359
Moving forward to the next question.

572
00:15:59.179 --> 00:16:00.039
As Suerov X asks,

573
00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:00.840
attaching to the above,

574
00:16:00.880 --> 00:16:02.630
would you consider having a discourse forum?

575
00:16:02.760 --> 00:16:03.059
No.

576
00:16:03.869 --> 00:16:05.539
Or at least I personally wouldn't.

577
00:16:06.820 --> 00:16:07.190
Uh,

578
00:16:07.270 --> 00:16:07.859
I don't

579
00:16:08.929 --> 00:16:10.510
I don't think it would be helpful,

580
00:16:10.929 --> 00:16:13.429
and the reason I don't think it would be helpful is because again,

581
00:16:13.609 --> 00:16:16.049
we would have to staff it with people that can,

582
00:16:16.289 --> 00:16:16.679
uh,

583
00:16:16.690 --> 00:16:19.349
first of all moderate it to make sure there's no problematic content on it,

584
00:16:19.530 --> 00:16:19.950
but

585
00:16:20.369 --> 00:16:23.190
you also need a body of people who can actually answer questions

586
00:16:23.330 --> 00:16:26.229
and uh if you wanna like look at the problem,

587
00:16:26.909 --> 00:16:28.390
go into the VR chat Discord

588
00:16:28.770 --> 00:16:32.010
and just like figure out would a for a for a forum,

589
00:16:32.250 --> 00:16:34.369
would a forum fix VR chat's Discord,

590
00:16:34.380 --> 00:16:35.109
and the answer is

591
00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:36.150
probably not.

592
00:16:37.260 --> 00:16:37.739
Um,

593
00:16:37.809 --> 00:16:39.440
a forum certainly doesn't fix,

594
00:16:39.690 --> 00:16:40.020
uh,

595
00:16:40.150 --> 00:16:40.739
Mixer's problems.

596
00:16:40.820 --> 00:16:41.960
We ran a forum for like,

597
00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:42.340
I don't know,

598
00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:42.989
6 months,

599
00:16:43.020 --> 00:16:43.640
and then,

600
00:16:44.059 --> 00:16:44.219
uh,

601
00:16:44.340 --> 00:16:45.500
Trust and safety over there,

602
00:16:45.619 --> 00:16:45.729
uh,

603
00:16:45.780 --> 00:16:46.059
were like,

604
00:16:46.179 --> 00:16:46.580
oh,

605
00:16:46.780 --> 00:16:47.820
we can't afford to staff this,

606
00:16:47.900 --> 00:16:48.909
so we shut it down.

607
00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:52.119
So uh that's cool.

608
00:16:52.340 --> 00:16:52.450
Uh,

609
00:16:52.460 --> 00:16:54.700
I think like Xbox has a forum and stuff like that,

610
00:16:54.820 --> 00:16:55.320
so like,

611
00:16:55.330 --> 00:16:56.289
I don't know how those work.

612
00:16:56.460 --> 00:16:56.940
The other one I,

613
00:16:56.979 --> 00:17:00.580
I love is like the question and answer system for Microsoft Windows products,

614
00:17:00.659 --> 00:17:01.340
so it's like,

615
00:17:02.270 --> 00:17:02.950
Question,

616
00:17:03.309 --> 00:17:06.339
my computer is blue screening and I can't use it and I need to use it

617
00:17:06.339 --> 00:17:08.630
for work and I've got data on it and I need to get it back,

618
00:17:08.790 --> 00:17:09.469
please help me.

619
00:17:09.589 --> 00:17:10.790
Here's all the information you could ever

620
00:17:10.790 --> 00:17:13.108
possibly need to diagnose my Windows problem.

621
00:17:14.229 --> 00:17:14.910
Answer.

622
00:17:15.430 --> 00:17:15.858
Hi,

623
00:17:15.989 --> 00:17:17.140
my name is blah blah blah.

624
00:17:17.189 --> 00:17:18.858
I'm from Microsoft support.

625
00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.270
Thank you for making a question and answer thread.

626
00:17:22.479 --> 00:17:23.510
Before we get started,

627
00:17:23.670 --> 00:17:25.459
I'm gonna need some questions from you.

628
00:17:25.750 --> 00:17:27.329
What operating system are you running?

629
00:17:28.348 --> 00:17:29.329
Marketer's answer,

630
00:17:29.469 --> 00:17:29.750
solved,

631
00:17:29.869 --> 00:17:31.140
no answer for six years.

632
00:17:31.709 --> 00:17:31.930
Great,

633
00:17:32.030 --> 00:17:33.430
you didn't read anything they posted.

634
00:17:33.750 --> 00:17:34.069
So like,

635
00:17:34.099 --> 00:17:36.209
I don't think forums solve it.

636
00:17:43.699 --> 00:17:43.900
Yep,

637
00:17:44.219 --> 00:17:45.140
everyone like knows the memes,

638
00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:46.260
it's so frustrating.

639
00:17:46.540 --> 00:17:48.459
So like I I just look at like,

640
00:17:48.780 --> 00:17:51.780
look at forums that exist for similar products and

641
00:17:51.790 --> 00:17:54.170
and figure out like what you want from them.

642
00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:55.839
Because by all means like we can,

643
00:17:55.900 --> 00:17:56.969
we can try a forum,

644
00:17:56.979 --> 00:17:58.219
I'm not saying no.

645
00:17:58.500 --> 00:18:01.420
I'm just saying like it's a like it it's like it's just

646
00:18:01.420 --> 00:18:04.729
another place to check and it might turn into like a graveyard.

647
00:18:04.979 --> 00:18:06.760
Do also remember that we have a Reddit

648
00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:07.680
um

649
00:18:07.939 --> 00:18:09.819
that we we can like use more,

650
00:18:09.930 --> 00:18:11.500
it's mostly just freaks posting.

651
00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:15.310
Freak says an opinion of forums.

652
00:18:15.390 --> 00:18:16.510
Let's wait and see what Freak says.

653
00:18:17.829 --> 00:18:19.510
I'm gonna write like scroll around a little bit,

654
00:18:19.589 --> 00:18:20.989
look at other questions in the meantime,

655
00:18:21.109 --> 00:18:21.380
but I do,

656
00:18:21.469 --> 00:18:23.250
I do wanna like surface through stuff.

657
00:18:24.520 --> 00:18:25.650
If they're here and they comment,

658
00:18:25.689 --> 00:18:25.880
it's,

659
00:18:25.890 --> 00:18:26.910
it's better cos you know,

660
00:18:27.329 --> 00:18:27.979
Fuchs is,

661
00:18:28.010 --> 00:18:28.359
is,

662
00:18:28.520 --> 00:18:29.449
is El Capitan.

663
00:18:45.530 --> 00:18:45.680
Alright,

664
00:18:45.729 --> 00:18:47.050
I'll do a question whilst freaks tapes.

665
00:18:52.729 --> 00:18:52.989
Oh,

666
00:18:53.130 --> 00:18:53.250
that,

667
00:18:53.329 --> 00:18:54.010
that's a OK,

668
00:18:54.050 --> 00:18:56.489
we're gonna skip the Wiki performance one cos that's kind of like a,

669
00:18:56.510 --> 00:18:56.520
a,

670
00:18:56.530 --> 00:18:57.130
a quick,

671
00:18:57.140 --> 00:18:57.430
a

672
00:18:57.569 --> 00:18:58.430
busy topic.

673
00:19:00.560 --> 00:19:03.510
I'm also gonna skip uh the business question cos that's a big topic.

674
00:19:03.520 --> 00:19:07.180
I'm looking for like a nice nice like small que I have a small question here.

675
00:19:10.280 --> 00:19:11.839
That's a big question as well from Kestrel.

676
00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:12.469
I will get to them,

677
00:19:12.520 --> 00:19:13.439
I'm just trying to let you know.

678
00:19:15.050 --> 00:19:15.209
Time,

679
00:19:15.329 --> 00:19:15.449
OK,

680
00:19:15.530 --> 00:19:15.770
we'll just,

681
00:19:15.810 --> 00:19:16.630
we'll just like,

682
00:19:17.010 --> 00:19:18.250
we'll do wiki performance then,

683
00:19:18.530 --> 00:19:19.030
um.

684
00:19:24.750 --> 00:19:25.520
Where are we?

685
00:19:25.829 --> 00:19:26.589
I am lost.

686
00:19:29.369 --> 00:19:29.530
Alright,

687
00:19:29.609 --> 00:19:30.650
so wiki performance.

688
00:19:30.930 --> 00:19:31.969
We had an issue,

689
00:19:32.089 --> 00:19:32.520
um,

690
00:19:32.689 --> 00:19:33.849
I think it was like over the weekend or at

691
00:19:33.849 --> 00:19:37.430
least last week where the wiki was responding really slowly,

692
00:19:37.520 --> 00:19:39.109
and I had no idea why.

693
00:19:39.569 --> 00:19:42.430
The reason the wiki was running slowly is because

694
00:19:42.689 --> 00:19:43.290
Claude,

695
00:19:43.619 --> 00:19:44.069
Gemini,

696
00:19:44.369 --> 00:19:45.369
chat GPT,

697
00:19:46.170 --> 00:19:47.310
and you name it,

698
00:19:47.569 --> 00:19:49.949
be boo boop boop boo boo,

699
00:19:50.010 --> 00:19:52.290
like all the AI names were like hammering it,

700
00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.349
and the reason they were hammering it is because.

701
00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:56.400
Their web crawlers

702
00:19:56.819 --> 00:20:00.880
aren't set up in a way to understand like dynamic pages.

703
00:20:01.339 --> 00:20:02.500
So all of those crawlers,

704
00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:03.609
all at the same time,

705
00:20:03.770 --> 00:20:07.650
they found the most expensive page on a media wiki instance,

706
00:20:07.819 --> 00:20:08.439
which is called

707
00:20:08.739 --> 00:20:10.160
Recent Changes Linked.

708
00:20:10.579 --> 00:20:11.260
And it like,

709
00:20:11.329 --> 00:20:13.020
it queries a lot of tables,

710
00:20:13.099 --> 00:20:16.359
it like spans like large portions of the database,

711
00:20:16.579 --> 00:20:18.500
it's a really slow page to run.

712
00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:20.469
But because it's called linked,

713
00:20:20.520 --> 00:20:22.500
it means like it had other links on it,

714
00:20:22.520 --> 00:20:26.880
which actually just led to more copies of special recent pages linked.

715
00:20:27.239 --> 00:20:28.300
So it was like

716
00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:30.359
DDoSing accidentally.

717
00:20:31.260 --> 00:20:33.369
Now there could be actually be attentional ways to do this,

718
00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:36.449
it is something that you can suffer from uh from an actual attacker.

719
00:20:36.739 --> 00:20:40.300
They just hit expensive pages on your media wiki instance until it goes down,

720
00:20:40.380 --> 00:20:40.859
right?

721
00:20:41.219 --> 00:20:41.670
Um,

722
00:20:41.780 --> 00:20:43.209
but when I was looking at the logs,

723
00:20:43.260 --> 00:20:44.280
it was like,

724
00:20:45.979 --> 00:20:46.979
60%

725
00:20:47.180 --> 00:20:49.000
AI bots I could identify,

726
00:20:49.449 --> 00:20:52.250
and 40% things that looked like AI bots,

727
00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:54.400
so uh I put in some restrictions there,

728
00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:55.260
um,

729
00:20:55.540 --> 00:20:58.680
we philtre out a couple of pages from,

730
00:20:59.439 --> 00:21:00.400
I don't even remember,

731
00:21:00.479 --> 00:21:02.640
like I just installed some random thing that does it.

732
00:21:04.579 --> 00:21:05.599
I'm gonna go look at the,

733
00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:06.170
the details.

734
00:21:06.250 --> 00:21:06.609
Oh my,

735
00:21:06.810 --> 00:21:07.810
my not like this,

736
00:21:07.969 --> 00:21:08.290
uh,

737
00:21:08.300 --> 00:21:09.630
Google search finally loaded.

738
00:21:09.770 --> 00:21:14.040
I think IPV6 is slow on my ISP so I might have to disable it.

739
00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:14.369
Like I'm,

740
00:21:14.449 --> 00:21:14.959
I'm like

741
00:21:15.410 --> 00:21:16.209
proud chesting,

742
00:21:16.290 --> 00:21:16.439
like,

743
00:21:16.449 --> 00:21:16.609
you know,

744
00:21:16.729 --> 00:21:17.369
00,

745
00:21:17.729 --> 00:21:18.400
I'm I'm like,

746
00:21:18.479 --> 00:21:18.920
you know,

747
00:21:19.290 --> 00:21:19.729
hey,

748
00:21:19.890 --> 00:21:20.420
uh,

749
00:21:20.569 --> 00:21:23.800
I've got IPP 6 working on my local machine at my apartment,

750
00:21:24.089 --> 00:21:24.900
but I think it's slow,

751
00:21:25.050 --> 00:21:25.770
so I might have to do that.

752
00:21:25.890 --> 00:21:26.089
But yeah,

753
00:21:26.130 --> 00:21:26.329
this,

754
00:21:26.449 --> 00:21:30.170
this sum summarise like trying to like exist and operate on the,

755
00:21:30.209 --> 00:21:31.209
on the internet right now.

756
00:21:37.829 --> 00:21:37.949
Oh,

757
00:21:37.989 --> 00:21:39.260
and if you wanna see like the,

758
00:21:39.349 --> 00:21:41.270
the like the end

759
00:21:41.670 --> 00:21:43.989
of like all this like internet legislation,

760
00:21:44.390 --> 00:21:45.510
uh look at South Korea.

761
00:21:47.489 --> 00:21:49.119
South Korea's done the best that they can,

762
00:21:49.290 --> 00:21:49.589
but.

763
00:21:50.780 --> 00:21:53.680
You need like a a national ID to sign up for Facebook and stuff.

764
00:21:57.589 --> 00:21:57.859
Uh,

765
00:21:57.880 --> 00:21:59.719
let me find the extension that I installed to,

766
00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:00.300
to fix,

767
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:01.719
to fix the wiki,

768
00:22:01.729 --> 00:22:02.219
cos

769
00:22:02.479 --> 00:22:03.660
I wanna talk about it a bit more.

770
00:22:13.790 --> 00:22:13.989
Yes,

771
00:22:14.069 --> 00:22:17.390
we added uh an extension called uh crawler protection,

772
00:22:17.469 --> 00:22:18.489
that's literally what it's called,

773
00:22:18.910 --> 00:22:19.489
um.

774
00:22:22.290 --> 00:22:23.130
I wanna see what it does,

775
00:22:23.170 --> 00:22:24.270
cos I don't remember what it does.

776
00:22:29.069 --> 00:22:31.619
Denies anonymous users access to certain media wiki,

777
00:22:31.650 --> 00:22:34.030
action URLs and special pages which are resource intensive,

778
00:22:34.089 --> 00:22:34.270
yep,

779
00:22:34.430 --> 00:22:34.699
there you go,

780
00:22:34.790 --> 00:22:35.859
that's exactly what we needed.

781
00:22:36.349 --> 00:22:36.500
Uh,

782
00:22:36.550 --> 00:22:37.729
I also have disabled,

783
00:22:37.949 --> 00:22:38.560
um,

784
00:22:38.630 --> 00:22:40.170
one of the special pages recently.

785
00:22:40.229 --> 00:22:40.439
Um,

786
00:22:40.479 --> 00:22:41.910
the reason was I wanted to do like a,

787
00:22:41.949 --> 00:22:42.069
a,

788
00:22:42.189 --> 00:22:43.349
a two-pronged attack on it.

789
00:22:51.979 --> 00:22:53.579
I might re-enable the special page,

790
00:22:53.619 --> 00:22:54.099
but like I,

791
00:22:54.180 --> 00:22:55.689
I didn't even know that special page existed,

792
00:22:55.819 --> 00:22:56.400
so like.

793
00:23:00.150 --> 00:23:00.170
You know,

794
00:23:16.270 --> 00:23:17.510
But we've fixed it for now,

795
00:23:17.550 --> 00:23:18.189
and I need to,

796
00:23:18.270 --> 00:23:20.310
I need to get the cloud flare stuff sorted,

797
00:23:20.709 --> 00:23:21.390
but like.

798
00:23:22.760 --> 00:23:23.439
Um,

799
00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:27.089
Give me 1 2nd here,

800
00:23:27.130 --> 00:23:28.209
I'm gonna to take something or something.

801
00:23:47.849 --> 00:23:48.930
Uh.

802
00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:53.750
I don't remember what I was talking about.

803
00:23:53.959 --> 00:23:54.209
Oh yeah,

804
00:23:54.290 --> 00:23:54.439
the,

805
00:23:54.489 --> 00:23:55.329
the crawler protection.

806
00:23:56.579 --> 00:23:57.030
And then I wanted,

807
00:23:57.109 --> 00:23:58.829
I want to get the cloudfare setup sorted,

808
00:23:58.939 --> 00:24:01.290
but the cloudfare extension I chose

809
00:24:01.390 --> 00:24:03.650
isn't compatible with the latest version of MediaWiki,

810
00:24:04.069 --> 00:24:04.530
but

811
00:24:04.670 --> 00:24:05.310
um.

812
00:24:06.170 --> 00:24:09.130
I got notified about another one called like Multi Purge or something,

813
00:24:09.209 --> 00:24:10.390
so I've got to set that up,

814
00:24:10.890 --> 00:24:11.579
at which point the,

815
00:24:11.650 --> 00:24:13.209
the wiki will be behind

816
00:24:13.489 --> 00:24:14.910
will be behind cloudflare.

817
00:24:15.329 --> 00:24:15.530
Uh,

818
00:24:15.609 --> 00:24:15.959
we'll go,

819
00:24:16.130 --> 00:24:16.869
uh,

820
00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:17.130
sorry,

821
00:24:17.239 --> 00:24:19.640
we'll experiment with like disabling the,

822
00:24:19.699 --> 00:24:20.339
the cache

823
00:24:20.530 --> 00:24:21.770
for users who are signed in.

824
00:24:21.849 --> 00:24:23.369
I can do that with a cloud flare rule.

825
00:24:24.140 --> 00:24:24.739
Um,

826
00:24:24.930 --> 00:24:25.400
but

827
00:24:26.099 --> 00:24:28.540
it will always cache like JavaScript,

828
00:24:28.699 --> 00:24:29.180
CSS,

829
00:24:29.300 --> 00:24:29.890
stuff like that,

830
00:24:30.060 --> 00:24:30.180
uh,

831
00:24:30.260 --> 00:24:31.900
which should mean that the wiki loads like a,

832
00:24:31.939 --> 00:24:32.250
a lot,

833
00:24:32.260 --> 00:24:32.939
lot faster.

834
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.260
So that is performance of the wiki

835
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:53.520
taken care of,

836
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:54.920
let's go down to.

837
00:24:58.630 --> 00:24:58.839
OK,

838
00:24:58.959 --> 00:24:59.329
so

839
00:24:59.969 --> 00:25:02.469
Adiq says Broddock has finished implementing events with different languages.

840
00:25:02.520 --> 00:25:05.300
When we can expect an update to the event list in Resonant Essentials.

841
00:25:05.560 --> 00:25:06.040
Uh,

842
00:25:06.719 --> 00:25:07.119
there's a,

843
00:25:07.199 --> 00:25:08.979
a gap of communication there.

844
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:09.349
Um,

845
00:25:09.439 --> 00:25:11.199
I hadn't been notified that it was fixed.

846
00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:11.430
Uh,

847
00:25:11.479 --> 00:25:12.420
I hadn't checked,

848
00:25:12.530 --> 00:25:12.880
uh,

849
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:13.400
but,

850
00:25:13.800 --> 00:25:13.989
uh,

851
00:25:14.109 --> 00:25:15.319
so I need to do that first.

852
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:17.900
I need to get our copy of it up to,

853
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:18.439
um.

854
00:25:19.430 --> 00:25:20.170
Up to date.

855
00:25:20.430 --> 00:25:21.430
It is fairly up to date.

856
00:25:21.510 --> 00:25:21.989
I've just,

857
00:25:22.030 --> 00:25:22.339
uh,

858
00:25:22.420 --> 00:25:25.359
I had to make the updates like manual for the moment,

859
00:25:25.430 --> 00:25:26.000
um,

860
00:25:26.310 --> 00:25:27.829
because there were some issues I was,

861
00:25:27.910 --> 00:25:31.390
I was looking at that needed to make it manual updates rather than automatic.

862
00:25:31.790 --> 00:25:33.810
So I need to update it to the latest,

863
00:25:33.949 --> 00:25:34.280
uh,

864
00:25:34.310 --> 00:25:37.859
and then we need to schedule some work with most likely Rauvi to,

865
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:38.650
to get the

866
00:25:38.869 --> 00:25:41.569
event list and resonant essentials updated with a language philtre.

867
00:25:47.329 --> 00:25:48.880
Moving forward to Revi,

868
00:25:48.969 --> 00:25:49.369
who says,

869
00:25:49.430 --> 00:25:50.150
as a business,

870
00:25:50.209 --> 00:25:51.719
what are your plans in terms of growth?

871
00:25:52.089 --> 00:25:55.489
Talking like if you're leaning more towards staying private or going public.

872
00:25:56.010 --> 00:25:56.130
Uh,

873
00:25:56.209 --> 00:25:57.150
so there's actually like

874
00:25:57.689 --> 00:25:59.390
two-ish questions there.

875
00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:00.119
Um,

876
00:26:00.219 --> 00:26:01.270
the second question

877
00:26:01.810 --> 00:26:04.670
that involves private or public is we will

878
00:26:05.290 --> 00:26:07.069
most likely always be a private,

879
00:26:07.089 --> 00:26:07.569
uh,

880
00:26:07.609 --> 00:26:08.750
privately traded company.

881
00:26:09.170 --> 00:26:09.400
Uh,

882
00:26:09.569 --> 00:26:10.869
going public would mean,

883
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:11.239
uh,

884
00:26:11.290 --> 00:26:12.010
for those who are not aware,

885
00:26:12.050 --> 00:26:14.369
it would mean that we would be listed on stock exchanges and

886
00:26:14.369 --> 00:26:16.449
you would be able to buy and sell stock in us.

887
00:26:17.040 --> 00:26:17.680
Uh,

888
00:26:17.959 --> 00:26:20.150
that is usually like a really large process,

889
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:21.550
and for a company of our size,

890
00:26:21.560 --> 00:26:23.339
it wouldn't make sense financially,

891
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:23.800
uh,

892
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:25.040
let alone like

893
00:26:25.520 --> 00:26:27.239
management or like legally,

894
00:26:27.280 --> 00:26:27.660
etc.

895
00:26:27.790 --> 00:26:28.349
stuff like that.

896
00:26:28.760 --> 00:26:28.880
Uh,

897
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:29.640
if you go public,

898
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:30.280
you need a lawyer,

899
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:30.709
right?

900
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:31.270
Like on,

901
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:32.219
on stuff,

902
00:26:32.760 --> 00:26:33.150
like not,

903
00:26:33.380 --> 00:26:34.119
not contracted,

904
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:35.280
you need one like hired.

905
00:26:37.959 --> 00:26:39.069
As for the first half,

906
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:40.859
what are the terms of growth,

907
00:26:41.140 --> 00:26:41.150
um,

908
00:26:41.439 --> 00:26:41.839
so,

909
00:26:42.760 --> 00:26:43.859
We're trying to like

910
00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:47.349
balance our growth in B2C and B2B.

911
00:26:47.560 --> 00:26:49.800
We talk a lot about the B2C growth,

912
00:26:50.199 --> 00:26:51.550
which is things like adverts,

913
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:52.040
for example,

914
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:52.250
uh,

915
00:26:52.260 --> 00:26:53.160
if you look in Devlog,

916
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:53.579
uh,

917
00:26:53.589 --> 00:26:56.020
Chroma has launched a Google Ads campaign.

918
00:26:56.390 --> 00:26:58.430
I just checked it and it's still not launched launch,

919
00:26:58.550 --> 00:26:58.760
but I,

920
00:26:58.800 --> 00:27:01.160
I found some information that says that it can take up to

921
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.640
3 days for the ad campaign data to start coming in,

922
00:27:03.719 --> 00:27:04.099
so,

923
00:27:04.479 --> 00:27:04.670
uh,

924
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.920
we'll be able to check maybe tomorrow or the day after,

925
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:07.239
um,

926
00:27:07.520 --> 00:27:08.239
see how that's doing.

927
00:27:10.209 --> 00:27:10.619
Uh,

928
00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:11.609
we also want to get more,

929
00:27:11.689 --> 00:27:13.369
just like more like video and,

930
00:27:13.459 --> 00:27:14.040
and.

931
00:27:15.329 --> 00:27:16.329
Promotional content out there,

932
00:27:16.410 --> 00:27:17.689
I'm aware of 2.

933
00:27:19.109 --> 00:27:20.859
I'm aware of 2 or 3 projects that we're,

934
00:27:20.900 --> 00:27:22.609
we're doing there to sort of get things done.

935
00:27:23.189 --> 00:27:23.339
Uh,

936
00:27:23.390 --> 00:27:25.770
we've got like a Steam store page update going,

937
00:27:26.069 --> 00:27:26.349
uh,

938
00:27:26.469 --> 00:27:27.140
maybe a new trailer,

939
00:27:27.189 --> 00:27:27.469
I don't know,

940
00:27:27.550 --> 00:27:27.729
lots,

941
00:27:27.790 --> 00:27:29.270
lots of different stuff going on there.

942
00:27:29.859 --> 00:27:31.140
In terms of business,

943
00:27:31.390 --> 00:27:32.890
we're still at the point where,

944
00:27:33.150 --> 00:27:33.609
uh,

945
00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:34.650
we have to sort of

946
00:27:35.060 --> 00:27:36.130
lying's the wrong word,

947
00:27:36.250 --> 00:27:37.530
but it's more like we have to say like,

948
00:27:37.739 --> 00:27:37.989
oh yeah,

949
00:27:38.060 --> 00:27:39.250
absolutely we can do that,

950
00:27:39.550 --> 00:27:41.609
but you'll have to pay for it and it might take a few months.

951
00:27:41.750 --> 00:27:42.189
Uh,

952
00:27:42.430 --> 00:27:42.709
it's,

953
00:27:42.750 --> 00:27:43.260
so it's like,

954
00:27:43.310 --> 00:27:43.430
you know,

955
00:27:43.510 --> 00:27:43.660
we're,

956
00:27:43.709 --> 00:27:44.569
we're getting a lot of

957
00:27:44.829 --> 00:27:47.810
feature requests for items in the business realm that we don't have.

958
00:27:48.189 --> 00:27:49.449
If you remember the Tech Tree,

959
00:27:49.550 --> 00:27:50.010
um,

960
00:27:50.150 --> 00:27:52.609
the Tech Tree had a bunch of stuff that like March,

961
00:27:52.750 --> 00:27:53.359
um,

962
00:27:53.459 --> 00:27:54.469
list on the Tech Tree,

963
00:27:54.510 --> 00:27:55.300
it might still be there on the,

964
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:56.189
on the wiki page.

965
00:27:56.670 --> 00:27:56.949
Uh,

966
00:27:57.030 --> 00:27:59.969
is like lots of business stuff that will lead to like a complete

967
00:28:00.430 --> 00:28:00.810
product.

968
00:28:01.739 --> 00:28:02.050
Uh,

969
00:28:02.060 --> 00:28:02.979
that we're able to sell,

970
00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:04.540
but we're still like experiencing,

971
00:28:04.739 --> 00:28:04.900
you know,

972
00:28:05.060 --> 00:28:07.040
various business issues with stuff like that.

973
00:28:07.459 --> 00:28:07.819
Uh,

974
00:28:07.859 --> 00:28:08.640
once we support

975
00:28:08.890 --> 00:28:09.770
the LMSA,

976
00:28:09.959 --> 00:28:11.359
we'll have business for days.

977
00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:12.859
Uh,

978
00:28:12.930 --> 00:28:13.209
additionally,

979
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.160
once we get,

980
00:28:14.569 --> 00:28:14.819
uh,

981
00:28:14.849 --> 00:28:16.010
clarity over,

982
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:16.349
uh,

983
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:17.189
universes sorted,

984
00:28:17.290 --> 00:28:17.540
we'll,

985
00:28:17.550 --> 00:28:18.900
we'll also get a business for days.

986
00:28:18.969 --> 00:28:20.839
We've still got apparently some confusion around the

987
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.369
different types of universes that are there.

988
00:28:22.609 --> 00:28:25.369
And seeing as universes is sort of like accidentally my,

989
00:28:25.489 --> 00:28:25.800
my,

990
00:28:25.930 --> 00:28:26.489
my product,

991
00:28:26.650 --> 00:28:26.800
right?

992
00:28:26.849 --> 00:28:27.489
It's like a,

993
00:28:27.689 --> 00:28:29.550
a feature that like we've had for a long time,

994
00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:32.050
but like I've added functionality to it over the time,

995
00:28:32.170 --> 00:28:32.599
so like I'm,

996
00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:34.189
I'm the expert in universes.

997
00:28:34.609 --> 00:28:35.449
So I've gotta update the,

998
00:28:35.489 --> 00:28:36.650
the universe document there.

999
00:28:37.219 --> 00:28:37.420
Uh,

1000
00:28:37.489 --> 00:28:38.199
we do have,

1001
00:28:38.300 --> 00:28:38.729
um,

1002
00:28:38.859 --> 00:28:40.079
our crazy,

1003
00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:41.560
and I call him crazy in a good way,

1004
00:28:41.619 --> 00:28:42.380
our crazy,

1005
00:28:42.500 --> 00:28:42.689
uh,

1006
00:28:42.699 --> 00:28:43.079
like

1007
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:45.650
finance stroke business guy,

1008
00:28:45.819 --> 00:28:46.060
uh,

1009
00:28:46.219 --> 00:28:46.500
Bob,

1010
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:47.420
who is like

1011
00:28:47.619 --> 00:28:48.660
flying around the planet,

1012
00:28:48.810 --> 00:28:50.180
like literally flying around the planet,

1013
00:28:50.260 --> 00:28:51.839
like they do several trips

1014
00:28:52.339 --> 00:28:54.040
to several like countries,

1015
00:28:54.260 --> 00:28:54.680
um,

1016
00:28:54.810 --> 00:28:56.250
each year it seems like to,

1017
00:28:56.300 --> 00:28:58.489
to talk to our business partners and get more stuff and,

1018
00:28:58.540 --> 00:28:58.729
and,

1019
00:28:58.780 --> 00:28:59.280
and,

1020
00:28:59.739 --> 00:29:00.359
uh,

1021
00:29:01.050 --> 00:29:01.180
network,

1022
00:29:01.219 --> 00:29:01.780
etc.

1023
00:29:05.540 --> 00:29:06.449
We also for business,

1024
00:29:06.489 --> 00:29:07.400
we wanna do case studies,

1025
00:29:07.449 --> 00:29:08.550
I believe we have like a couple

1026
00:29:08.849 --> 00:29:09.510
on the website,

1027
00:29:09.530 --> 00:29:09.920
but we,

1028
00:29:09.969 --> 00:29:11.329
we need to get a few more on there.

1029
00:29:16.060 --> 00:29:18.750
Let's move forwards to.

1030
00:29:22.280 --> 00:29:23.209
Whatever's next.

1031
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:50.729
Uh,

1032
00:29:50.859 --> 00:29:53.719
Josh talked a little bit about zero knowledge proofs for,

1033
00:29:53.729 --> 00:29:54.900
for age verification.

1034
00:29:55.099 --> 00:29:57.020
I have been tracking a couple of like,

1035
00:29:57.300 --> 00:29:57.530
uh,

1036
00:29:57.540 --> 00:29:58.670
technologies that did that.

1037
00:29:58.780 --> 00:30:01.680
There was a GitHub repository I got linked like the other week,

1038
00:30:01.689 --> 00:30:04.369
which was doing some sort of cryptography with zero knowledge proofs.

1039
00:30:04.729 --> 00:30:06.479
The problem with the zero knowledge proofs though,

1040
00:30:06.550 --> 00:30:07.040
um,

1041
00:30:07.060 --> 00:30:07.680
is that.

1042
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:10.160
They require like as as Joss says,

1043
00:30:10.199 --> 00:30:11.839
they require like government assistance,

1044
00:30:11.979 --> 00:30:13.180
so it would be like.

1045
00:30:14.469 --> 00:30:15.349
For a layman term,

1046
00:30:15.439 --> 00:30:16.599
it would be something like

1047
00:30:17.199 --> 00:30:22.420
you use your government ID with like an application or like uh a.

1048
00:30:24.569 --> 00:30:25.329
A box,

1049
00:30:25.569 --> 00:30:27.430
it might even be like a box in a room somewhere,

1050
00:30:27.459 --> 00:30:28.140
um,

1051
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:29.689
and it creates like a,

1052
00:30:29.729 --> 00:30:30.160
a

1053
00:30:30.410 --> 00:30:31.670
cryptographic thing

1054
00:30:32.209 --> 00:30:33.189
that says like,

1055
00:30:33.569 --> 00:30:34.989
this user is

1056
00:30:35.260 --> 00:30:36.430
over the age of 18,

1057
00:30:36.969 --> 00:30:38.530
and it's like signed and

1058
00:30:38.729 --> 00:30:41.650
all these cryptography words I don't know cos I'm I'm on the spot here.

1059
00:30:41.959 --> 00:30:42.939
And then you present

1060
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:44.280
not your ID,

1061
00:30:44.469 --> 00:30:46.880
you present the zero knowledge proof to the,

1062
00:30:46.959 --> 00:30:47.599
the company,

1063
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:48.910
and the company says like,

1064
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.160
I will validate this against like the,

1065
00:30:51.239 --> 00:30:52.479
the government's like,

1066
00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:53.119
I don't know,

1067
00:30:53.479 --> 00:30:54.619
keys or something,

1068
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:55.310
uh,

1069
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:55.989
and

1070
00:30:56.719 --> 00:31:00.140
based on that we can ascertain that you are over the age of 18

1071
00:31:00.560 --> 00:31:02.880
and we don't actually need to see your ID or get your name.

1072
00:31:04.569 --> 00:31:05.839
If none of that made sense,

1073
00:31:06.150 --> 00:31:06.449
good,

1074
00:31:06.530 --> 00:31:08.130
it didn't make sense to me either when I

1075
00:31:08.130 --> 00:31:09.810
was reading the source code of the repository,

1076
00:31:09.849 --> 00:31:10.920
which I've forgotten the name of.

1077
00:31:11.170 --> 00:31:11.959
It was a company,

1078
00:31:12.089 --> 00:31:13.599
like some sort of big company were like,

1079
00:31:13.650 --> 00:31:13.839
hey,

1080
00:31:13.890 --> 00:31:16.229
we've got this zero knowledge proof age verification thing,

1081
00:31:16.689 --> 00:31:17.250
and I'm like,

1082
00:31:17.569 --> 00:31:18.300
yeah,

1083
00:31:18.729 --> 00:31:19.510
I get it,

1084
00:31:19.770 --> 00:31:20.650
but I don't.

1085
00:31:20.969 --> 00:31:22.890
So I closed the tab and I've forgotten what it was.

1086
00:31:46.969 --> 00:31:47.400
Next up,

1087
00:31:47.410 --> 00:31:48.959
we've got a question from Kestrel,

1088
00:31:49.089 --> 00:31:49.390
uh,

1089
00:31:49.410 --> 00:31:52.050
which also has a response from Freaks that I largely agree with,

1090
00:31:52.130 --> 00:31:53.839
so I'm gonna read it out and then read Freaks's

1091
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:55.550
response and then probably add a bunch of prime,

1092
00:31:56.089 --> 00:31:56.510
um.

1093
00:31:58.599 --> 00:31:59.670
Prime sprinkles at the end.

1094
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.040
So Kestre says it's a question regarding development policies,

1095
00:32:04.099 --> 00:32:05.670
what's the barrier metric for the team deciding to

1096
00:32:05.670 --> 00:32:08.280
implement small scale uh fixes for significant bugs.

1097
00:32:08.349 --> 00:32:08.589
For example,

1098
00:32:08.719 --> 00:32:10.060
testing is being done right now

1099
00:32:10.560 --> 00:32:12.439
regarding the VR rendering blur issue that gets

1100
00:32:12.439 --> 00:32:14.390
reported and brought up frequently by new users,

1101
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.719
with it being a massive issue for some more than others.

1102
00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:17.180
In testing,

1103
00:32:17.199 --> 00:32:18.040
it seems like the fix is changing.

1104
00:32:18.209 --> 00:32:21.479
Changing 9 characters on a single line in post pressing stack,

1105
00:32:21.489 --> 00:32:22.670
and the blur issue is fixed.

1106
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.520
There's another similar issue with Xixyoon and multiply blend mode breaking with

1107
00:32:27.520 --> 00:32:29.319
point lights in potential seizure inducing

1108
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.160
ways that's another 7 character change.

1109
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.300
What would the community have to do to get such patches implemented?

1110
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:36.150
So then Frugs's response to this,

1111
00:32:36.199 --> 00:32:37.520
which I largely agree with,

1112
00:32:37.609 --> 00:32:39.000
but I'll add some prime sprinkles,

1113
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:39.500
is,

1114
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:40.400
um,

1115
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:40.880
first of all,

1116
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.619
you want to make sure that there's a GitHub issue

1117
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:44.280
and get people to upvote it.

1118
00:32:45.300 --> 00:32:45.689
The,

1119
00:32:45.699 --> 00:32:46.209
um

1120
00:32:47.270 --> 00:32:49.500
The second part of that is describing what the actual issue is,

1121
00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:50.439
not the fix itself.

1122
00:32:50.780 --> 00:32:51.329
Whenever I see,

1123
00:32:51.380 --> 00:32:52.229
and this isn't your fault,

1124
00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:52.819
Kestrel,

1125
00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:53.719
but like,

1126
00:32:54.260 --> 00:32:55.209
whenever I see things like,

1127
00:32:55.260 --> 00:32:56.489
it's just 7 lines,

1128
00:32:56.630 --> 00:32:57.680
it is not.

1129
00:32:57.979 --> 00:33:00.160
I have categorically proven that

1130
00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:01.579
with the um.

1131
00:33:02.689 --> 00:33:05.089
Tool pop-off headless grab bug,

1132
00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:05.930
uh,

1133
00:33:05.939 --> 00:33:07.270
if someone knows what I'm referring to,

1134
00:33:07.390 --> 00:33:07.510
go,

1135
00:33:07.670 --> 00:33:08.349
go grab the link,

1136
00:33:08.430 --> 00:33:09.300
but that was a like,

1137
00:33:09.630 --> 00:33:10.859
simple bug and everyone was like,

1138
00:33:11.030 --> 00:33:13.349
you just change this like one line and it'll fix it,

1139
00:33:13.430 --> 00:33:15.750
and like the actual problem is like,

1140
00:33:16.510 --> 00:33:17.170
several

1141
00:33:17.390 --> 00:33:19.010
different layers deep,

1142
00:33:19.030 --> 00:33:20.180
and I actually ended up,

1143
00:33:20.310 --> 00:33:21.689
fixing three bugs,

1144
00:33:21.869 --> 00:33:23.869
just trying to fix that like one bug.

1145
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:25.520
So that's why we,

1146
00:33:25.579 --> 00:33:26.829
we have to be like,

1147
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:27.040
guys,

1148
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:27.790
you have to,

1149
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:29.130
you have to start with the problem,

1150
00:33:29.239 --> 00:33:29.849
not the solutions.

1151
00:33:29.989 --> 00:33:30.800
Whenever I see like,

1152
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:31.069
hey,

1153
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:32.739
it's just 7 character change.

1154
00:33:33.390 --> 00:33:34.329
It might be,

1155
00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:35.390
but you might have

1156
00:33:35.689 --> 00:33:36.709
overlooked something else,

1157
00:33:36.829 --> 00:33:39.130
so don't like hyperfocus on that change.

1158
00:33:39.430 --> 00:33:43.260
There's this additional context field in all of our like GitHub issue forms,

1159
00:33:43.270 --> 00:33:44.709
it says like additional context.

1160
00:33:45.109 --> 00:33:46.750
That is the place where you say like,

1161
00:33:46.819 --> 00:33:47.310
yo,

1162
00:33:47.469 --> 00:33:48.310
I um you know,

1163
00:33:48.459 --> 00:33:49.619
decompiled blah blah blah,

1164
00:33:49.630 --> 00:33:50.270
and I found this,

1165
00:33:50.349 --> 00:33:52.579
I think this is the area that we need to look into.

1166
00:33:52.869 --> 00:33:54.209
It might even be this area,

1167
00:33:54.219 --> 00:33:55.229
and you do it from the sort of like,

1168
00:33:55.349 --> 00:33:55.650
hey,

1169
00:33:55.900 --> 00:33:56.530
this might

1170
00:33:56.829 --> 00:33:57.250
be.

1171
00:33:58.410 --> 00:33:59.589
This might be the area to look at,

1172
00:33:59.619 --> 00:34:01.180
and because it's an additional context,

1173
00:34:01.260 --> 00:34:01.660
it's fine,

1174
00:34:01.739 --> 00:34:01.869
right?

1175
00:34:01.939 --> 00:34:03.280
Additional context is like

1176
00:34:03.579 --> 00:34:05.560
additional stuff we might need that might be helpful.

1177
00:34:06.569 --> 00:34:08.918
But it can't be a part of the main body of the issue,

1178
00:34:09.010 --> 00:34:10.929
cos if it's the part of the main body of the issue,

1179
00:34:11.168 --> 00:34:12.000
then it's like,

1180
00:34:12.449 --> 00:34:13.080
here's the fix,

1181
00:34:13.168 --> 00:34:13.899
just do it.

1182
00:34:14.250 --> 00:34:14.438
It would,

1183
00:34:14.469 --> 00:34:16.129
it never actually is the fix.

1184
00:34:32.590 --> 00:34:32.750
Uh,

1185
00:34:32.790 --> 00:34:33.870
that's exactly what Fruke says as well,

1186
00:34:33.909 --> 00:34:34.668
in additional context,

1187
00:34:34.830 --> 00:34:35.668
provide a suggested fix.

1188
00:34:35.739 --> 00:34:36.168
It's like

1189
00:34:36.429 --> 00:34:36.629
it.

1190
00:34:37.620 --> 00:34:38.639
It's almost like

1191
00:34:41.969 --> 00:34:43.409
It's almost like if there's a work order,

1192
00:34:43.489 --> 00:34:46.260
like say there's a work order to like repair a car or something like that,

1193
00:34:46.790 --> 00:34:48.129
like the work order would be like

1194
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.330
repair the car.

1195
00:34:50.330 --> 00:34:51.418
Make it stop making noise,

1196
00:34:52.040 --> 00:34:53.958
and then like right at the bottom of the work order might

1197
00:34:53.958 --> 00:34:56.418
be like customer notes and the customer note would be like.

1198
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:58.419
Might be a squirrel in the engine,

1199
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.600
and then you open up the engine and there might be a squirrel there,

1200
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:02.000
but there might not be a squirrel there,

1201
00:35:02.370 --> 00:35:03.159
but you're aware of it.

1202
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.080
That was a really bad example.

1203
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:08.679
Moving on.

1204
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:10.360
Uh,

1205
00:35:11.560 --> 00:35:11.719
Yeah,

1206
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:12.989
additional testing is also good,

1207
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:13.409
right,

1208
00:35:13.479 --> 00:35:13.830
um,

1209
00:35:13.919 --> 00:35:15.899
if you're not getting traction on an issue,

1210
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.919
there's usually like something that we need that

1211
00:35:18.919 --> 00:35:21.439
you can find either in the original issue template

1212
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.229
or in some of the like subsidiary documents like the

1213
00:35:24.229 --> 00:35:26.459
Read me or how we prioritise that might help out

1214
00:35:26.600 --> 00:35:28.699
that is beyond just saying like hey it's 7 characters.

1215
00:35:30.469 --> 00:35:30.669
Like,

1216
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.280
has it been tested on.

1217
00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:33.500
Linux,

1218
00:35:33.540 --> 00:35:33.899
for example,

1219
00:35:33.939 --> 00:35:35.379
or has it only been tested on Windows?

1220
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:38.179
Because if it's only been tested on Windows and we do the

1221
00:35:38.179 --> 00:35:41.020
seven line fix that your 7 character fix that you're talking about,

1222
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:42.540
maybe that actually breaks it

1223
00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:43.379
on Linux.

1224
00:35:43.699 --> 00:35:44.620
Even the information,

1225
00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:45.010
hey,

1226
00:35:45.060 --> 00:35:46.969
this issue doesn't occur on Linux is,

1227
00:35:47.020 --> 00:35:48.020
is good information.

1228
00:35:59.479 --> 00:36:00.699
Moving forward to Yosh's question.

1229
00:36:01.040 --> 00:36:01.199
Oh,

1230
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:03.760
actually that thing about the plug-in used to stop the hoard prevents

1231
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.760
all unauthorised users from looking at the edit history of individual pages.

1232
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:07.800
I do not think this is the best.

1233
00:36:07.879 --> 00:36:08.989
I do agree.

1234
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:10.070
Please raise an issue,

1235
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:11.679
I'll try and resolve it this week.

1236
00:36:14.250 --> 00:36:17.909
I can tweak the disabling of the various pages cos I think

1237
00:36:18.209 --> 00:36:20.149
regular recent changes should be OK,

1238
00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:21.229
um,

1239
00:36:21.669 --> 00:36:21.919
like that,

1240
00:36:21.929 --> 00:36:22.889
that should be OK.

1241
00:36:40.939 --> 00:36:41.739
Kestrel should,

1242
00:36:41.929 --> 00:36:42.199
uh,

1243
00:36:42.219 --> 00:36:42.729
Kestrel says,

1244
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:44.120
what should I get to eat?

1245
00:36:44.260 --> 00:36:44.629
Um,

1246
00:36:44.899 --> 00:36:45.879
the answer there is food,

1247
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:47.500
ideally cheese related.

1248
00:36:48.439 --> 00:36:49.110
Um

1249
00:36:50.110 --> 00:36:50.659
Oh

1250
00:36:51.919 --> 00:36:53.149
Let's move forwards,

1251
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:54.070
uh.

1252
00:36:57.350 --> 00:36:58.429
Bredo has linked the issue,

1253
00:36:58.510 --> 00:36:59.540
it is absolutely the issue,

1254
00:36:59.610 --> 00:37:01.659
it is issue 479.

1255
00:37:02.070 --> 00:37:03.429
479.

1256
00:37:04.080 --> 00:37:04.689
Um,

1257
00:37:07.370 --> 00:37:08.199
Again I don't wanna

1258
00:37:08.739 --> 00:37:10.419
call out anyone so I won't mention names here,

1259
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:10.679
but,

1260
00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:13.000
but someone posted like this is the fix,

1261
00:37:13.020 --> 00:37:17.399
and then people thumbsed it up with 13 responses and and 3 hearts,

1262
00:37:17.979 --> 00:37:18.580
um.

1263
00:37:19.310 --> 00:37:21.780
And then I say the additional information is preiterated.

1264
00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:22.250
However,

1265
00:37:22.350 --> 00:37:24.770
do keep in mind that pointing exactly in the code to where the issue

1266
00:37:25.469 --> 00:37:27.510
appears to be can be distracting for our team.

1267
00:37:27.669 --> 00:37:30.750
I now need to evaluate your solution as well as researching the bug myself.

1268
00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:31.139
For example,

1269
00:37:31.229 --> 00:37:32.389
your solution might not be applicable,

1270
00:37:33.229 --> 00:37:33.989
idiomatic,

1271
00:37:34.229 --> 00:37:34.489
performant,

1272
00:37:34.540 --> 00:37:34.949
etc.

1273
00:37:35.060 --> 00:37:36.100
and it may take additional work,

1274
00:37:36.179 --> 00:37:36.850
but I'll take a look.

1275
00:37:41.770 --> 00:37:42.530
And then later on,

1276
00:37:42.729 --> 00:37:45.669
I'm narrowing this down here to be potentially 3 bugs,

1277
00:37:45.919 --> 00:37:48.129
permission checks running on tools that they shouldn't be running on.

1278
00:37:48.209 --> 00:37:50.530
That was um permission checks would run on.

1279
00:37:51.580 --> 00:37:52.590
Like equipped tools,

1280
00:37:52.780 --> 00:37:53.620
they didn't need to be ran.

1281
00:37:54.429 --> 00:37:55.320
Um,

1282
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.320
next was tools that are already equipped,

1283
00:37:57.479 --> 00:37:58.270
trying to be equipped,

1284
00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:58.540
yep,

1285
00:37:58.679 --> 00:37:59.270
that was,

1286
00:37:59.280 --> 00:37:59.860
um,

1287
00:38:01.709 --> 00:38:02.860
Related to the permission check,

1288
00:38:02.939 --> 00:38:03.110
right,

1289
00:38:03.229 --> 00:38:03.870
so it was,

1290
00:38:04.270 --> 00:38:05.909
there's a tool that's already equipped,

1291
00:38:06.110 --> 00:38:08.229
and because you grab someone that has that

1292
00:38:08.229 --> 00:38:10.500
already equipped tool and you aren't a builder,

1293
00:38:10.790 --> 00:38:12.629
it was trying to equip that tool,

1294
00:38:12.870 --> 00:38:14.629
and then cos it was trying to equip that tool,

1295
00:38:14.709 --> 00:38:16.510
it was trying to run the permissions for that tool.

1296
00:38:23.820 --> 00:38:23.979
Yeah,

1297
00:38:24.100 --> 00:38:25.879
possible to equip an already equipped tools.

1298
00:38:26.100 --> 00:38:29.000
As the permission cleanup routine for the interaction handler,

1299
00:38:29.060 --> 00:38:29.719
uh,

1300
00:38:29.979 --> 00:38:30.600
permissions

1301
00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:32.770
can run on the host and the user has the tool,

1302
00:38:33.060 --> 00:38:34.860
for headlesses who do not have a head,

1303
00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:39.159
the local user head position is null because headless users do not have a head.

1304
00:39:01.100 --> 00:39:01.560
Uh,

1305
00:39:02.169 --> 00:39:04.850
Compuser talks about how deleting the VTF file that

1306
00:39:04.850 --> 00:39:07.379
contains a cow makes TF2 refuse to be there,

1307
00:39:07.459 --> 00:39:09.939
that one's more understandable when you understand sort of like,

1308
00:39:09.949 --> 00:39:10.379
um.

1309
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:12.360
Like hashing and

1310
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.750
checksums and like you know manifests and stuff like that,

1311
00:39:16.030 --> 00:39:18.199
basically TF2 loaded up and like that

1312
00:39:18.520 --> 00:39:22.459
particular asset was was was missing from the manifest or whatever,

1313
00:39:22.959 --> 00:39:24.389
uh and then it like crashes.

1314
00:39:24.479 --> 00:39:25.659
It should be like more

1315
00:39:25.959 --> 00:39:26.959
uh graceful than that,

1316
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.300
like pop in a message or something that says like

1317
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:31.239
hey your files are invalid,

1318
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:32.719
please reacquire them or whatever.

1319
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.149
Moving forward to uh Canine Dragon.

1320
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.800
As someone who's recently got into content creation for VRC using Unity,

1321
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:41.280
the content creation and especially the avatar

1322
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:42.800
creation in Resonant has shocked me,

1323
00:39:42.810 --> 00:39:44.520
and I'm having trouble adjusting to the way it's done in Resonite.

1324
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.590
I heard something called Rezoink is in the works

1325
00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:48.399
that would allow people to create content in Unity

1326
00:39:48.629 --> 00:39:49.820
and then get it into

1327
00:39:49.959 --> 00:39:50.560
Resonate.

1328
00:39:51.080 --> 00:39:51.280
Uh,

1329
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:51.439
yeah,

1330
00:39:51.550 --> 00:39:53.770
that's Resonite Link plus the Unity SDK.

1331
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:55.120
Unity SDK is,

1332
00:39:55.129 --> 00:39:57.340
is being made right now by Fruxs.

1333
00:39:57.399 --> 00:39:57.679
Um,

1334
00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:58.449
you can see,

1335
00:39:58.750 --> 00:39:59.070
uh,

1336
00:39:59.080 --> 00:40:00.719
some videos and stuff in Devlog,

1337
00:40:00.959 --> 00:40:02.879
but Resonant Link itself exists.

1338
00:40:05.310 --> 00:40:06.989
So you can take a look at at both there.

1339
00:40:18.350 --> 00:40:20.909
There are actually a bunch of user uh of bugs

1340
00:40:20.909 --> 00:40:23.250
that are related to headless users not having heads.

1341
00:40:23.750 --> 00:40:24.050
Um,

1342
00:40:24.110 --> 00:40:26.129
I can't remember if it's Breda or Sven,

1343
00:40:26.429 --> 00:40:27.729
but they are,

1344
00:40:27.830 --> 00:40:29.050
both of them probably

1345
00:40:29.229 --> 00:40:30.510
have a directive from me,

1346
00:40:30.590 --> 00:40:31.820
which is if I ever like

1347
00:40:32.179 --> 00:40:33.469
grumble about them to a bug,

1348
00:40:33.590 --> 00:40:33.820
I'm like,

1349
00:40:33.830 --> 00:40:34.020
oh,

1350
00:40:34.030 --> 00:40:35.310
I can't figure out this bug,

1351
00:40:35.590 --> 00:40:36.590
they have to ask,

1352
00:40:36.750 --> 00:40:38.989
is it because headless users don't have heads?

1353
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:42.399
Just to like remind me.

1354
00:40:44.810 --> 00:40:45.020
Cause we've,

1355
00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:45.909
we've had a couple

1356
00:40:49.090 --> 00:40:50.330
I think there was one in Cursorland,

1357
00:40:50.409 --> 00:40:50.959
but I don't,

1358
00:40:51.169 --> 00:40:52.709
I don't remember like what it is.

1359
00:40:55.330 --> 00:40:57.449
We also had one that um.

1360
00:41:01.810 --> 00:41:04.120
It's something to do with headless users not having hands.

1361
00:41:05.330 --> 00:41:06.000
So I like it,

1362
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:06.750
it's fun.

1363
00:41:10.899 --> 00:41:12.100
But again you see the fix there,

1364
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:13.120
like it wasn't

1365
00:41:13.340 --> 00:41:16.760
the fix there again might be like at the wrong um level might be

1366
00:41:17.100 --> 00:41:18.770
what if headless users did have heads,

1367
00:41:18.860 --> 00:41:19.020
right,

1368
00:41:19.060 --> 00:41:21.639
and then she would edit the code to give headless users heads.

1369
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:23.919
But that wasn't the fix.

1370
00:41:25.750 --> 00:41:27.739
So then you've got like a bunch of technical debt because

1371
00:41:27.739 --> 00:41:29.870
you gave headless users heads and they shouldn't have heads.

1372
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:09.520
Uh,

1373
00:42:10.510 --> 00:42:10.540
OK,

1374
00:42:10.550 --> 00:42:11.979
moving forwards.

1375
00:42:13.959 --> 00:42:14.560
Kestrel says,

1376
00:42:14.739 --> 00:42:15.179
um,

1377
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.419
Are group homes a thing

1378
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:19.159
with an actual concept in mind or are

1379
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.510
they kind of vestigial leftovers from older development?

1380
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:22.419
They are a thing.

1381
00:42:23.659 --> 00:42:23.850
Uh,

1382
00:42:23.899 --> 00:42:24.820
you can think of them like a,

1383
00:42:24.879 --> 00:42:25.500
a clubhouse,

1384
00:42:25.620 --> 00:42:25.739
right,

1385
00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:26.139
that's the,

1386
00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:26.959
that's the goal.

1387
00:42:27.169 --> 00:42:27.719
So,

1388
00:42:28.209 --> 00:42:28.699
uh,

1389
00:42:28.820 --> 00:42:29.219
let's say you,

1390
00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:29.469
you know,

1391
00:42:29.540 --> 00:42:31.000
you're working on a project

1392
00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:32.580
with a particular group,

1393
00:42:32.899 --> 00:42:35.020
you could go to that group home and maybe there'd be

1394
00:42:35.020 --> 00:42:38.540
like a to do board or like some concept art,

1395
00:42:38.620 --> 00:42:39.139
etc.

1396
00:42:39.459 --> 00:42:43.179
and then there might be like a collection of world links to parts of your project,

1397
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:43.620
etc.

1398
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:46.560
so like a clubhouse for your world is a is a good analogy there.

1399
00:42:46.939 --> 00:42:47.280
Um,

1400
00:42:47.620 --> 00:42:50.500
the bug in that area is just like we haven't got around to it.

1401
00:42:51.479 --> 00:42:52.899
We also haven't got round to like

1402
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.330
better group UI,

1403
00:42:54.479 --> 00:42:55.639
better group management,

1404
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:56.639
all sorts of stuff like that,

1405
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:56.830
we,

1406
00:42:56.879 --> 00:42:57.790
we wanna get there.

1407
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.320
Like if you look at like the group UI and things like Steam or like even

1408
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:04.199
like Discord or something like that where you can sort of see who's in the group,

1409
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:05.350
give them maybe permissions,

1410
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:06.479
all sorts of stuff like that,

1411
00:43:06.919 --> 00:43:07.919
it's where we wanna go,

1412
00:43:08.080 --> 00:43:08.459
but

1413
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.280
we haven't just haven't got to it.

1414
00:43:25.350 --> 00:43:27.409
I was actually playing around with the home code

1415
00:43:27.629 --> 00:43:28.969
um last week.

1416
00:43:29.939 --> 00:43:30.439
Due to some,

1417
00:43:30.540 --> 00:43:32.239
some business corpoverse stuff.

1418
00:43:36.459 --> 00:43:37.159
I had to get,

1419
00:43:37.379 --> 00:43:38.979
I had to migrate their content across and there

1420
00:43:38.979 --> 00:43:40.939
was like a bunch of of issues doing that.

1421
00:44:16.850 --> 00:44:16.979
Alright,

1422
00:44:17.020 --> 00:44:18.610
there's a follow-up question related to the,

1423
00:44:18.620 --> 00:44:22.379
the issue conversation that's like really big and mostly directed at Freaks,

1424
00:44:22.459 --> 00:44:24.000
so I'll I'll leave Freaks to handle that one.

1425
00:44:36.030 --> 00:44:37.629
Castro is a follow-up question about group homes,

1426
00:44:37.709 --> 00:44:37.870
yeah,

1427
00:44:37.939 --> 00:44:38.389
um.

1428
00:44:40.439 --> 00:44:42.540
UI design and like um

1429
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.120
suitability pending because this is an idea I've just

1430
00:44:45.120 --> 00:44:46.520
come up with like on top of my head,

1431
00:44:46.600 --> 00:44:48.100
but like what if you signed in.

1432
00:44:49.629 --> 00:44:50.229
And

1433
00:44:50.560 --> 00:44:54.379
like in your home world was an alert or some sort of display and it said like

1434
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:56.669
3 members of your group are in the group home.

1435
00:44:57.080 --> 00:44:57.870
You wanna go right there?

1436
00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:58.439
It's like yeah,

1437
00:44:58.479 --> 00:45:00.500
and then you hit yeah and it goes you right to the clubhouse.

1438
00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:07.310
And so,

1439
00:45:07.510 --> 00:45:08.989
from the sort of clubhouse analogy,

1440
00:45:09.030 --> 00:45:09.629
it's like,

1441
00:45:10.030 --> 00:45:10.489
hi guys,

1442
00:45:10.770 --> 00:45:11.449
what's going on?

1443
00:45:11.510 --> 00:45:12.510
I'm in the clubhouse too.

1444
00:45:12.590 --> 00:45:13.989
Let's talk about clubhouse stuff.

1445
00:45:14.070 --> 00:45:17.090
I don't know what clubhouse people do in their clubhouses.

1446
00:45:17.709 --> 00:45:18.810
I guess it depends on the club.

1447
00:45:28.820 --> 00:45:29.840
When I worked,

1448
00:45:29.899 --> 00:45:30.419
um.

1449
00:45:31.770 --> 00:45:32.800
At Microsoft,

1450
00:45:33.260 --> 00:45:35.429
we periodically would have like

1451
00:45:36.060 --> 00:45:38.040
growth and learning and development

1452
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:39.129
sessions,

1453
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:39.459
you know,

1454
00:45:39.580 --> 00:45:40.620
like career development,

1455
00:45:41.139 --> 00:45:41.860
everyone hated them.

1456
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:42.330
Uh,

1457
00:45:42.340 --> 00:45:43.810
the equivalent like meme is like,

1458
00:45:44.010 --> 00:45:44.729
hi team,

1459
00:45:45.010 --> 00:45:46.060
make this like

1460
00:45:46.379 --> 00:45:48.159
bridge out of pasta

1461
00:45:48.300 --> 00:45:49.959
and have its support away.

1462
00:45:50.330 --> 00:45:51.669
And that's like team building,

1463
00:45:52.090 --> 00:45:52.889
yeah,

1464
00:45:53.290 --> 00:45:53.600
right?

1465
00:45:53.770 --> 00:45:58.729
But we had one of those sessions we had in what's called the Microsoft Tree houses.

1466
00:45:58.810 --> 00:46:01.560
So there's a particular building on the Microsoft campus,

1467
00:46:01.810 --> 00:46:03.189
which is more like a city at this point,

1468
00:46:03.409 --> 00:46:03.969
um,

1469
00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:05.270
that has a tree house.

1470
00:46:05.689 --> 00:46:07.850
I can see if I can get some pictures of the Microsoft tree house.

1471
00:46:08.129 --> 00:46:09.810
But we went there to do one of these like

1472
00:46:09.810 --> 00:46:13.189
growth and learning experiences in this like tree house.

1473
00:46:13.610 --> 00:46:14.110
And

1474
00:46:14.290 --> 00:46:16.330
the entire time I was bored,

1475
00:46:16.610 --> 00:46:17.090
cold,

1476
00:46:17.169 --> 00:46:19.739
and very angry that I was bored and cold,

1477
00:46:19.830 --> 00:46:20.919
cos it was meant to be like,

1478
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:21.830
yo,

1479
00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:22.850
let's go to the tree house,

1480
00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:23.909
the tree house is cool,

1481
00:46:23.959 --> 00:46:24.770
and I'm just like,

1482
00:46:24.810 --> 00:46:25.750
I'm cold.

1483
00:46:31.620 --> 00:46:32.770
I want to go

1484
00:46:33.060 --> 00:46:33.219
inside.

1485
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:36.379
Oh yeah,

1486
00:46:36.439 --> 00:46:37.760
a couple of photos of the,

1487
00:46:37.820 --> 00:46:39.389
of the Microsoft tree houses.

1488
00:46:39.560 --> 00:46:40.800
Apparently there's more than one.

1489
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:53.959
Uh,

1490
00:46:54.030 --> 00:46:54.939
I hope that

1491
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.399
resonite never gets big enough that they can

1492
00:46:57.399 --> 00:46:59.879
legitimately decide to build a tree house,

1493
00:47:00.080 --> 00:47:00.360
uh,

1494
00:47:00.520 --> 00:47:01.280
for their workers,

1495
00:47:01.439 --> 00:47:01.810
right?

1496
00:47:02.429 --> 00:47:05.219
It just feels like you've got too much money when you get to that point.

1497
00:47:05.879 --> 00:47:06.070
Far,

1498
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:07.320
far too much money.

1499
00:47:09.350 --> 00:47:09.939
What should we do?

1500
00:47:10.040 --> 00:47:13.040
Should we pay our employees more money or should we build a tree house?

1501
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:40.699
Castro says,

1502
00:47:40.739 --> 00:47:44.229
why has no one made a thriller centred around tech companies being cults?

1503
00:47:44.699 --> 00:47:45.919
There's quite a few sort of.

1504
00:47:46.689 --> 00:47:49.669
Analogous shows that that can get there.

1505
00:47:50.370 --> 00:47:51.129
Succession,

1506
00:47:51.530 --> 00:47:52.429
um,

1507
00:47:52.810 --> 00:47:53.810
I haven't watched any of Succession,

1508
00:47:53.889 --> 00:47:56.969
but I know that like that one goes into sort of corporate cutthroatness,

1509
00:47:57.330 --> 00:47:58.199
as does Suits.

1510
00:47:58.290 --> 00:48:00.169
That's more from a sort of like drama point of

1511
00:48:00.169 --> 00:48:02.330
view rather than like a horror though or a thriller.

1512
00:48:04.229 --> 00:48:04.550
Uh,

1513
00:48:04.629 --> 00:48:06.689
I don't know if it like fits exactly

1514
00:48:07.070 --> 00:48:08.030
what you're after,

1515
00:48:08.389 --> 00:48:11.870
but I am going to recommend a TV show called The Consultant.

1516
00:48:13.449 --> 00:48:14.649
We'll get you the IMDb page.

1517
00:48:18.620 --> 00:48:20.610
I don't really wanna spoil any of the,

1518
00:48:20.659 --> 00:48:20.820
Mr.

1519
00:48:20.850 --> 00:48:21.820
Robot's another good example,

1520
00:48:21.899 --> 00:48:22.320
yes,

1521
00:48:22.459 --> 00:48:22.649
thank you,

1522
00:48:22.739 --> 00:48:23.199
Nicky.

1523
00:48:23.580 --> 00:48:23.840
Um,

1524
00:48:23.939 --> 00:48:24.659
the consultant.

1525
00:48:25.709 --> 00:48:26.439
Fantastic,

1526
00:48:26.520 --> 00:48:28.100
I watched it in literally one

1527
00:48:28.600 --> 00:48:29.020
sitting.

1528
00:48:30.429 --> 00:48:32.310
And there's probably not gonna be a season two,

1529
00:48:32.550 --> 00:48:33.010
so

1530
00:48:33.149 --> 00:48:34.030
sad news.

1531
00:48:39.530 --> 00:48:42.810
Follows a relationship between employees and boss asking how far

1532
00:48:42.810 --> 00:48:44.810
we will go to get ahead and to survive.

1533
00:48:44.939 --> 00:48:45.209
Yes,

1534
00:48:45.530 --> 00:48:46.169
exactly that.

1535
00:49:04.969 --> 00:49:06.350
I believe we're out of questions,

1536
00:49:06.449 --> 00:49:07.010
um.

1537
00:49:08.709 --> 00:49:09.750
We're also out of time,

1538
00:49:10.110 --> 00:49:11.409
so I'm gonna go ahead and start

1539
00:49:11.899 --> 00:49:12.949
winding things down here.

1540
00:49:15.949 --> 00:49:16.199
Nki,

1541
00:49:16.270 --> 00:49:18.280
you are not that type of consultant.

1542
00:49:18.590 --> 00:49:18.750
Uh,

1543
00:49:18.790 --> 00:49:21.729
the picture from the embed on IMDb is exactly,

1544
00:49:21.750 --> 00:49:22.199
uh,

1545
00:49:22.270 --> 00:49:23.010
the consultant.

1546
00:49:23.149 --> 00:49:24.659
I believe that's his actor name as well.

1547
00:49:24.709 --> 00:49:25.909
I'm really bad at actor names,

1548
00:49:25.949 --> 00:49:26.949
I don't remember any of them.

1549
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:28.280
Uh,

1550
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:28.780
but

1551
00:49:29.860 --> 00:49:32.629
Through weird circumstances he ends up um.

1552
00:49:35.189 --> 00:49:37.929
Coming in as a consultant for the company and

1553
00:49:40.090 --> 00:49:42.530
Just be glad that like fruits isn't.

1554
00:49:43.489 --> 00:49:44.389
The consultant

1555
00:49:56.429 --> 00:49:58.979
I am gonna go ahead and leave things off here,

1556
00:49:59.149 --> 00:50:00.510
and I will speak to you guys soon.

1557
00:50:01.479 --> 00:50:02.270
Um,

1558
00:50:06.510 --> 00:50:07.389
Speaking of consultants,

1559
00:50:07.540 --> 00:50:08.649
J4 is a consultant

1560
00:50:09.570 --> 00:50:09.649
for,

1561
00:50:09.669 --> 00:50:09.939
um,

1562
00:50:09.949 --> 00:50:13.169
you can take a look at their personal website for more information on their day job.

1563
00:50:13.949 --> 00:50:14.360
Uh,

1564
00:50:14.600 --> 00:50:15.790
they're a consultant for like,

1565
00:50:16.300 --> 00:50:17.739
I think like CICD matters,

1566
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:18.840
like various businesses,

1567
00:50:18.959 --> 00:50:19.520
so it's cool.

1568
00:50:22.750 --> 00:50:24.110
I will speak to you guys later.