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 Welcome to Office Hours, it is 4pm so I'll go ahead and get started.

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 This is a half hour to hour segment, depends how much I waffle about cheese, where I answer

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 your questions about Neos.

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 If you want to ask a question, please drop it in the Office Hours text chat, that's

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 a couple of channels above this one.

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 We've been absent for a couple of weeks, I was on vacation, and by vacation I mean

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 I stay at home and people come and stay with me, and then we do vacationy things.

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 It's like, cool, I actually visited the town I live in.

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 Excellent.

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 Anyway, moving on with Office Hours, let's go ahead and get those questions that are

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 waiting, read and answered before I go off on a random tangent about life.

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 So Tiki asks, "Joining my headless of hundreds of megabytes of project pictures taken so

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 long to load, it often times out and just stops loading any further from new users.

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 I tried moving to 2 gigabit internet connection, and with 8 new users loading, it doesn't

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 even approach 1 gigabit throughput.

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 Is there any optimization I'm missing?"

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 That's probably the asset variance system trying to help you out there, and me being

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 a bit slow I'm not entirely certain.

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 I'd have to look into the world itself and some of the late loading stuff there.

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 There are a bunch of issues open on GitHub for assets loading slowly and gather jobs

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 Both of those issues boggle my mind and drive me completely mad, they affect friends of

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 So we'll look into that under those two issues.

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 As for optimizations, don't have hundreds of megabytes of project pictures in your world.

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 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I know that's weird, but that is one of the ways to prevent that

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 Moving onwards, Tiki has a second question which says "On the same chain of thought,

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 is there any reason why exporting a picture disk takes multiple seconds instead of maybe

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 a second or less than I'd expect for a megabyte?"

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 I have noticed import taking a long time, particularly like normal maps, sometimes they'll

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 I haven't noticed export taking a long time.

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 I have with like a complex mesh, but I'm talking like millions of triangles so I kind of just

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 give it like a free pass and hope it doesn't crash when I'm exporting a mesh like that.

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 Make sure there's a GitHub issue launched for that, and I'll take a look at it when

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 Lex asks "Any updates on making the native build of Neo's work again?"

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 There are no updates on that front.

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 Please continue to read announcements, and be patient on that one.

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 Next is Unnamed Cyborg Cat says "Is text-based programming a feature yet?"

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 It is not a feature yet, it's a feature request you can take a look at.

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 I think there's a couple of GitHub issues for it, but take a look at those, thumbs them

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 For the past, I don't know, like four or five questions, it might have seemed like those

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 are sort of hand-wavy answers.

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 Do remember the "I can't live debug" because I can't live debug with you guys, it's not

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 something I'm capable of doing whilst I'm on air, so to speak, in inverted commas.

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 So do you guys call it like inverted commas or quote marks?

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 Back in the UK we call them inverted commas, because that's what they are, they're two

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 sets of inverted commas, they're like upside down commas, but whatever, quote marks.

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 Anyway, so make sure there are GitHub issues open for them, and we'll look at them when

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 I get it's a problem, I just sometimes can't just dive into code.

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 I do have it open, so sometimes I'll dive in to answer a question, but if it's a bug

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 that's going to take me longer than a few minutes to look at, it's just not suitable

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 for this particular environment.

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 M3-opera-e-m-machine3, I wondered if you were the person who made the machine3 blender add-on,

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 but probably not.

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 Maybe, of course though.

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 Is it possible to use Neos for business applications like an art gallery?

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 Do remember that for certain business applications you may need Neos Pro, the best way is to

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 Art gallery, as an example, would not require Neos Pro, and actually would be quite nice

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 to see, you probably have to have like lockdown permissions, and therefore not many people

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 would visit it from our community, they would want to have permissions in there, but if

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 Headless server, as Linker says, can handle quite a bit based on performance.

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 I usually like to say 20 or so is where you start seeing issues, people go up to 30, but

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 20 is the number I would start with, and then I would experiment at going higher than 20.

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 to be easily joined in a variety of mechanisms, yes, it just depends on the exact specifics

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 to join a shortcut or batch file for Windows which launches them straight into that world.

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 But there are no remaining questions in the list, so we can sit here and chill out for

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 a minute if additional questions come in, that's absolutely fine.

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 Hope everyone's doing well.

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 Does anyone know what a foot hammock is?

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 Because I have a foot hammock and I just repaired it.

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 Because a foot hammock is like $12 to $15 on Amazon, but I'd ordered two and I broke

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 And then the rope got frayed and then snapped.

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 seems cheaper, because I can just keep repairing it when the rope frays.

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 So I ordered rope and I thought I got the right size, but the rope's too small, so it's

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 rope, or do I want to get a better foot hammock that's not going to have the fraying problems?

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 So that's my predicament.

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 The reason why that's front of mind is because the spool of rope I bought is next to me.

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 I could have ordered, I don't know, like a small amount of rope, but this large amount

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 of rope which I ordered was cheaper.

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 It was like double the rope for a dollar.

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 I'd be like a strange sort of pet in the closet somewhere.

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 It's just a two millimeter diameter natural rope, that's it.

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 I should have got four millimeter diameter.

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 I should always like change up the rigging of the foot hammock as well, like do my own

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 sort of knots and that way it would last longer.

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 I know this is random, this is what happens when we have no questions, we talk about rope.

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 Tabbing back over to take a look at questions.

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 So we have a non-neos question, I reserve that because we have neos questions coming

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 As Lincoln says, 21 people in on the office hour, but so little in here.

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 Do you think I have a general "hey the thread exists", everyone just listening in?

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 Yeah, if you want to ask questions, go in the thread, ask questions in the thread.

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 Now an interesting question which is philosophical in nature from Dove here who says "would you

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 It can be used for escapism, due to current circumstances it has become less of an escapism

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 for myself personally, but I get the whole escapism angle, I would encourage people that

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 A new social interaction is also true, yes, so I'd probably say both.

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 I think about it this way, right?

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 So I live in a rental, and in a rental, as I'm sure you're aware, you're limited

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 in what you can do to decorate, and so most of the time you're gonna find that it's

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 like, hard wood furniture that you take to each rental that you live in, not much stuff

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 But if I put on a headset, no matter which rental I live in, I can be on the moon, I

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 can walk along the Great Wall of China, I can go to a nice field, I can touch grass.

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 That's escapism.

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 But I can also put on my headset and speak to people from all across the world.

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 I don't know if, yep, they're here listening, so I see Soap, Admiral Soap, moderator from

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 our community here, they're in Finland, right?

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 I don't know anyone in Finland until I walked VR, now I know someone in Finland!

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 Lax says "I found that the OnStartLogix node doesn't fire when I'd like it to when

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 loading the worldstroke object that it's in.

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 It fired before the logic's fully loaded, breaking the chain.

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 Would you know a way to make the logics, to make a logic's pulse, pulses whenever a user

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 I'd have to look into how OnStart works, and those event nodes in more detail.

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 instancer thingamabobby.

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 Playercovey says "Semi-blender to Neo's question, I made a 3D model of a text and

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 it was made in a special font where it is more complicated than Times New Roman, but

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 important to Neo some letters, p's and o's and sometimes a is important to any words

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 in concave or not to keep the arches.

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 I can continue to find a way to solve this problem via the question channel but not show

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 this common issue for Neo's invention where it prefers more flat surface rather than complex

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 I can absolutely help you out there.

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 Before you export that piece of text you need to triangulate it.

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 I predict this is what's happening, I don't know for certain, but try this.

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 There is an operation you can do in edit mode, or you can use it as a modifier in the modifier

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 stack of Blender, where it will convert any weird geometry down to triangles before export,

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 and that will generically help with that kind of thing.

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 The importer that we use for models and meshes etc doesn't like weird vertex stuff.

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 in some cases you just need triangles, man.

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 Triangulation is the problem.

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 Yeah, try triangulation, and then from there we can try some other stuff.

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 The other thing you have to check is to make sure that it's not generating any upside down

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 With that, I don't see many additional questions coming in, so do remember if you are listening

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 and want to ask a question about NES, please drop it in the Office Hours text chat, there's

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 a few channels about the one you're currently staring at.

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 I keep forgetting that stages now have chat, so maybe at some point we'll swap to using

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 the stage chat, because that actually would help the whole "where do we ask questions"

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 Thank you for those who are redirecting those things.

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 Yeah, soap says "don't know if we can archive stage chats the same way" I'm not sure either.

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 I do need to do the whole "I'm a nerdy male who lives alone in their apartment, let me

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 Angry says "Why are Qods better than Trize?"

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 of Qods that are linked together, and you can subdivide those Qods really easily by

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 I'll get the notes updated as soon as I can, like I said, and if you have any additional

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 And I will see you again next week for more Office Hours.

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 Make sure to bring your best questions.

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 Speak to you soon.