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 It is the top of the hour so go ahead and get started. Welcome to Office Hours, the half hour segment where I answer your questions about Nias.

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 Please drop your questions in the Office Hours text chat and I'll get to them in the order that they appear.

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 If you don't know why you're here or you're hearing a voice and you don't know why it's because you clicked an announcement that appeared and you've now joined the Office Hours meeting stage.

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 Please stay, ask questions about Nias, I'll answer them in the order that they appear.

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 We have a question. Ray! Lex asks

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 What do you think would be a good world permission setup and access level be for users who, for someone who wants to create something

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 but doesn't mind visitors watching but also gets distracted easily?

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 I've been thinking about this a lot and like

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 I built a few things as well when I was trying to do it a while ago.

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 Think about limiting

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 limiting stuff by both the permission system. So the permission system by just setting them to spectator

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 they won't be able to spawn anything. Loads of people will literally lose their minds if they can't spawn stuff.

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 That's more sort of function of them than you though, because if you've ever played other VR platforms

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 you can't spawn stuff in those platforms. So just sit still and don't squirm about that one.

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 The next level you can do is some form of like notification when they join the world like hey, I'm building like don't distract me.

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 But I've also been experimenting with like red velvet ropes if that makes sense.

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 I didn't do it in that way. I think I did it with like just like a like a sphere or a cylinder mesh.

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 Where it's like hey, don't like don't cross this line, right? I made it so like they were still with an earshot.

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 They could still talk to me, but it's like don't like don't get up in my space, you know.

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 But more than like personal space where you know, they're like, you know in your personal space. It's more like workshop space.

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 Almost felt like a museum. That wasn't that effective, but it did prevent the amazing problem.

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 Which is people who like to enter this thing that you're building go right inside it. Their entire

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 avatar, like put their butt square in your logics and then go FK or spawn a whisper bubble.

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 They've just got like no concept of what's behind them. Which means like that's like another good thing like for everyone who's playing.

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 Be aware of your surroundings. So as an example here,

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 many of you I hope have some form of drink near you. It might be in a cup or a can or a bottle or whatever it is.

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 You know where that is and you have knowledge about where that is.

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 So you're not gonna just like, you know, flail your arms around or whatever and knock it over.

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 The same thing needs to happen in VR.

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 Like if you're standing in an area, be aware of what's behind you to the left of you to the right of you. The amount of

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 times I just get like

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 unsolicited like butts in my face because people just aren't aware of their surroundings about where people are is just amazing.

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 Like, you know, if VR has this gigantic field of view,

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 use it.

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 Situational and positional awareness of things. Don't knock over that cup. Don't go AFK inside someone's logics.

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 I'll just kick you these days because like you clearly don't understand boundaries or anything like that.

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 If you go AFK inside my logics.

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 Beyond that another thing I've considered doing but I don't know if people would be up for or joining is

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 similar to the prime exhibition thing is making it so spectators can't spawn their own avatar and so spectators are muted. At that point

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 it sort of becomes stuffy though and you sort of turns into sort of like a performance piece

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 where it's like welcome to the theater.

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 Prime is at the center of the theater on stage playing the violin. You're expected to be quiet whilst this happens.

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 So I don't really know if that actually works.

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 I think I had to do that once because I was just like, you know, people just get it.

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 Once people understand it, they get kind of like good at it. I've had lots of experience with people sort of

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 have been watching me build stuff for a bit and then other people come in and the new people that come in kind of sort

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 of get wrangled by the old people. It's like hey, you know come over here, Prime's building, we can chat over here, right?

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 They're over in the corner like enjoying memes and stuff and still engaging conversation with me

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 but they're kind of self wrangling themselves into a corner. Honestly though

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 I think one of the bigger things you can do is expose people to that being a problem.

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 I noticed a lot of people hide in private worlds, which is absolutely fine.

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 But if the reason that you're hiding in a private world is because you can't set boundaries with people that enter your world

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 then perhaps try setting boundaries in your open world, right?

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 and I actually want to change that. Like I had an idea,

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 I probably won't do it particularly whilst this, you know, messy announcements channel is in place, of

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 doing like a Neos debate club. Like the reason why they do debate clubs at like high schools, etc. is to get people

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 used to the idea that having differing opinions is okay and

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 having healthy discussions about those differing opinions is also okay.

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 A good example I give to people is your favorite color is not my favorite color and that's fine.

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 No one needs to be angry about it. No one needs to be upset about it.

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 it turns into like a gigantic deal that can lead to sort of like I'll cancel you on Twitter proportions over just like silly things.

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 It's like just like recognize that not everyone is out to be a vicious attacker at you.

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 Some are of course, but let them prove to you that that's what they're there to do.

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 Don't assume that that's what they're there to do. I met this person in in Viaca over the weekend and

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 or sort of lamenting about like how it was easier for people to learn languages when they're younger

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 But they were like, oh, hang on a minute. Like I told you you were doing a good job and explained why it's harder.

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 they treated it as like an attack and I'm just like hey just like chill out, please. So yeah set boundaries.

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 If they can't see on Twitter over that then they weren't worth speaking to in the first place.

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 Fance says, is there a method

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 stroke app to clean the assets folder and see the dependencies and links in the hierarchy explicitly?

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 I've tried to use the asset tool in the us, but it deleted objects that I want to keep in my entire tavern.

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 So I'm having trust issues of that tool. It depends how you're using it.

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 I know of one user who will remain unnamed because it was a really unfortunate thing.

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 They put their entire world inside the assets folder in the slot hierarchy and it deleted itself because that's what the asset folder is meant to do.

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 I've seen one person that does that so I presume other people might be accidentally doing that. And then the thing there is to understand

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 There's no reason to have it not checked on. That will be cleaning up unused assets.

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 Like so you shouldn't need to do anything there.

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 Like for example, if someone comes into your world spawns out a bunch of shit, like it's gonna be in the assets folder for a while.

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 But if you close the world and reopen it to continue working on it, that asset folder will be cleaned up.

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 Additionally remember things such as the pink trashcan is the best thing for handling those assets. Beyond that

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 I'd have to take a look at exactly what you're doing in that world because there might be some issues there.

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 But provided the automatically clean up checkbox is enabled, you shouldn't have to use that tool there.

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 That tool should be entirely safe. It just you just you have to figure out what you're doing.

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 Lex jumping around because Lex says I know one reason to turn off that checkbox.

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 Model plan emotions in a model only the first one gets set up and it will delete the rest since they're not referenced.

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 animation you do to add like those sorts of components they might inherit the behavior from the asset loader component.

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 You only need to add it in the particular case where you're sort of swapping out the references to multiple animations.

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 fruit something about them. I'll still wait for another question. I'm gonna cut this loose thread out of my clothing. There we go.

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 Okay, we have another question. Does slot order affect the order in which a world is loaded and if so, how strictly?

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 Biggest thing you can do for world loading is make sure that you watch the very very very first tutorial

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 I ever made and set your floor collider up correctly.

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 So they're just like, well if the world doesn't load you'll land on the cylinder and I'm like, oh you could just make it

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 That says I guess I made a mistake setting up the world. I have a lot in that folder holders.

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 that you've explicitly put there. If you have to go in there, you should question why you should go in there.

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 Like of course you can, I'm not saying you can't. I'm just saying like if you have to go in there

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 I'd love to sort of get some way to sort of separate it from the rest of the components and slots in the hierarchy

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 so it's more clear because now we've had two people that I know of that have made that mistake, but

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 nothing you make should go in there. As for seeing the links, no, there's no way to see the links there.

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 But like I said, you shouldn't need to go in there. Like it should be automatically taken care of.

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 The automatically clean up asset checkbox in the session settings should be doing everything for you.

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 As should when you restart the world, it should flush out all the sort of guns, lasers and avatars people spawn in.

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 Don't like don't go in there. If you're like hyper optimizing, which I know I know the Discord love,

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 they're like, oh my god, let's like avoid logics because it's bad. It's not bad.

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 Let's like mono pack because that makes it better. It really doesn't make it that much better.

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 Let's like, you know, discuss the intricacies between value driver and value copy and I'm like, oh my god,

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 Like there is such a thing as like too much optimization. The most complicated world

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 All right, let's take a look. Specs asks, why is it sometimes I can't use fly locomotion if I haven't walked or initialized the floor yet?

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 So maybe that's the problem. Shadow says, I'm curious just how some worlds have dedicated loading zones that always load first.

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 Give me an example and we can go take a look at it. We can load into it and inspect a bunch of stuff.

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 So like text and just like a standard material that just has a color on it. That doesn't need to load texture files.

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 So that might be what they're doing. I'll have to see what they're doing.

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 There is the possibility that there is some sort of mod that allows you to sort of interface in that system or somehow

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 I can like go look there now, but I will run out of time quickly if I just went and did that.

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 Do you think it'd be good idea for the future for Neos to officially make versions of user-created systems such as world cleanup systems or

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 I've yet to see anyone that actually does this. Closest would be the any land folks who do it in a good way.

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 But I think it's wrong. I think Frix intended you to do it slightly differently, but like hey, it doesn't matter.

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 There are ways to avoid using the common avatar system to make avatars that Frix has talked about before but hasn't really explained.

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 But yeah, it would be good idea to have good sane defaults. I want a good sane default for culling.

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 Audio zones, I want to fix up that. It's wrong. I don't know what's wrong about it, but it's wrong right now.

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 I use my hands a lot when talking anyway.

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 That's just it just it's it's not the way that it's meant to be done. The face tracker would be closer to all the way

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 it's meant to be done.

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 standard system for that that's really easy to use. I'm thinking like you know select the gesture point, select the thing you want to do, done.

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 Like what was one actually in the in the MMC this year, and it was like almost perfect

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 I'm happy so I have to do thumbs up or I'm not happy.

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 poo poo poo poo, and then my like face turns into like a sad face. Like it just it

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 I always think whatever like I see people in VRChat are like yeah, that that looks like exactly what you're doing with your hands

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 I'm just looking at the gifts available for the show because I don't want any spoilers because there are so many like

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 all he gets is a glowy bracelet, and I don't remember what the glowy bracelet does.

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 but Magicians is based on a book series that describes these hand movements quite well as far as I remember.

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 It's all they do and then that's what you don't like you see in the films you see all of the sort of acolytes

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 It's a really good show guys you should you should watch it if anyone does watch it when you're done

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 there's like five seasons so come back after five seasons. Let me know you'll be glad.

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 Ered says if you were to make a gesture system how would you personally have users interact with it? Would it be a component that drives blend chips or would it be a logic system?

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 what do you want to do and then like oh I want it to serve my like thumbs up like I do the like closed eyes

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 and my eyes are smiley and my face is smiley and like you know

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 candy cane falls out my ears great cool. We'll set that up for you without any technicalities

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 I don't really know what that looks like blend shapes are totally easy

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 Whatever you want. Shadow says speaking of ease of use do you think a GPT

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 4 powered knee assistant could be possible in the future. Yeah sure I mean it'll probably be a plug-in right now

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 What's actually happening which is all GPT 4 does is it predicts the most likely next character in a response?

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 Of the time, but like it's really bad in some cases. It's almost like remember that thing at school where

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 Why it's like oh because Wikipedia doesn't validate its sources it does and it did at the time that you're in school, but

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 It's the crew of doing that and Wikipedia does not validate its sources, right?

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 It doesn't validate its sources because in some cases it doesn't understand its sources right its sources

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 Just oh, it's a 80% chance that an E occurs after this character

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 I will put an either even if it makes no sense. It just happens to make sense a lot of the time

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 Continually to being updated right so the problem is right now. I don't know V for as I'm a little too V for was enough

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 Right now that would require probably like additional training or retraining. I don't know how that would work thought Bing was a different model

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 It's something that like I probably should have got into if I wasn't in like Neos

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 Excitement with my day, and I don't I don't know at this point. You know I was really into motor sports

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 I hate motor sport racing, but I was into the technical parts of it. I would never get on a motorcycle

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 Living room, and it was like cool. I'll put on this VR headset

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 I bought and it was VRChat VRChat VRChat, and it's like oh Neos is cool. Yeah, Prime doesn't even ride a scooter

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 I was like you know this will like kill you if you're not careful right and he's like yeah

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 DM me or whatever you'd like oh and one final note make tickets like if you have a moderation issue make tickets

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 I got a few DMS this week, and it's just like make a ticket. It's moderation make a ticket

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 I'm probably asleep or eating cheese. I will speak to you again later