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 So if you have questions, please drop them in the office hours text chat. There's a thread for questions

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 You're not sure what this is

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 Let's go ahead and get started as we do have a question right now. So Jackal Girl says I do have a question

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 Could you explain what the ballistic path procedural mesh is for? Someone stated that it had to do a teleportation

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 Teleporters, but I was hoping for some more detail. Yeah, so that mesh is used for the teleport locomotion, which is in

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 Use it if you want you do need to do mathematics though. If you look at the

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 That's the only question we have so far. So I'll think about something else to say

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 Revy says updates on world updates check the announcements channel. Thanks. Next question

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 Okay, for those just joining us if you have any questions, please go ahead and drop them in the office hours text chat

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 That's a couple of channels above this one in the thread and I'll get to them in order that they appear

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 I think so for question here from cyber warlock. He says moving to a new render anytime soon

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 gains our graphics program it does and they'd be able to answer more about that do check the announcement section and our roadmap on the

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 On the github for any information about that one moving forwards we have Tyte who's asking a question who says I've been gone for a while

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 What's the current summed up situation regarding NCR?

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 You can go ahead and take a look at the announcements channel and read all the announcements in there that have the word NCR in them

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 The updates are in the announcements channel if there are no updates

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 They're the most up-to-date updates that we have it's a bit like Windows right no one really thinks about that, right?

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 I had a DM from someone that said will support be coming soon. I don't know what that question means please answer questions in

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 sidewalk has another question here says any updates on stuff you've been excited to work on the stroke a look at

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 Like personally I've been working a bunch of science projects, so those are cool

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 I also was working yesterday on an updated document for the MMC to clarify license issues

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 As you can find that in the MMC text channel that was a document which medros like this is this is needed

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 The loose principle of that is that when you download something from the internet you don't own it

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 Neural network world that was I think last year's MMC, but they did a whole neural network now

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 Revy says have the servers been downgraded or heard people in myself noting the landfill server

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 Nope, not to my knowledge. If you have any issues, please make sure that you're opening up a bug report

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 I have a DM that says where do I post questions in the thread you?

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 Chat the last message in there is a thread and you put questions in there

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 Dio says is the logic structure like a neural net and I'm presuming I'm speaking about the neural network website. Sorry not website entry

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 I don't know what that is. Like if it's a badge then I can go look at the badge code right now and see what's there

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 Avatar builder. Yeah, come on avatar build. All right scroll to the badges section

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 There is no badge with that name, but there's no standard badge with that name

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 It's probably a private badge or it might just be a tag. Like the problem is that people like associate tags with

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 I don't use it because I have enough badges Beagle clarified that it's the custom badge thing

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 Yeah, corpse just a tag like you can see it there like it's literally it's just a tag like it's not a badge

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 So you see how this is like it says tags Neos team years admin that allows Fruxius and anyone else with those tags to perform

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 I can feature an item in the world browser. I can save stuff to the Neos team inventory like you know it's it's tagged

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 What is the license turns that I might need to know about if I want to do it for your project to say requirement?

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 I mean the license terms of Neos

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 That's all you need to abide by you do whatever you want provided. You're abiding by those those are all available on the wiki and

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 Eastern there is not a place on the wiki for tags because tags can be literally anything and the amount of tags that you'll see

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 Eastern you need to just chill out because just to tag like it's meaningless right if you look at your world any world that you've published

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 It's exactly the same as slot tags, but the difference is in then that slot tags. You can only have one

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 Collection like abilities for the world browser. That's also why the MMC uses tags and not the world name

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 Wherever says have we turned you into a fairy yet? I don't know maybe you should find out

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 Pam-pam says how am I today? I have pink lemonade. So I am amazing Jackal says, what is your favorite kind of cheese?

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 I do not answer cheese questions because I answered them all search back through the notes

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 Those who are unaware what pink lemonade is pink lemonade is lemonade that has

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 It's just like when I come to set up the I run the voting systems from see when I come to set up the voting system

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 Beagle says have you ever wanted to participate in MMC I participate in every single

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 MMC do says we needed a vetted wiki article almost at misconceptions that go around Neos

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 What I usually do bear in mind I can't win is I've tended to sort of go for the art category

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 If I make a game I need to spend like hours making the logic for the game

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 You know making sure all the parts work teams shooting whatever it is that needs to work works

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 There's there's a note in the world

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 It's good untitled on purpose because I called it untitled and then lots of people DM me and were like you should title your project

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 It was probably the best option available. You have to remember the that Neos has existed since sort of before

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 Before you can gather right? It's been a long time in the making

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 Like the very first sort of idea of Neos like almost predates the Oculus Rift, right?

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 It was the Oculus Rift dev kits that the freaks was using to sort of pioneer this and look at it

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