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All right everyone, welcome to prime time. Again, it's a half hour AMA where you can ask any questions about Neos.

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We don't have any questions today, we just actually have people complaining about my microphone,

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which is perfectly natural and please thank you for continuing doing so. If there are any issues,

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please do let me know. Microphone's a difficult year. But yeah, we have no questions, so I don't

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need to use the microphone. If you have questions, please put them in the thread and I'll get them as

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I can, otherwise I'm going to go ahead and mute and we're going to sit here for the entire office

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house segment. We have nothing to talk about. Grace says, can I ask something not to do with

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Neos? Usually it depends on sort of how busy we are. I usually skip personal questions because

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we're busy, but if there are no questions here, go for it. Do whatever you want. I may reject the

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question depending on what it is. I am only sort of guaranteed to answer Neos questions.

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That kind of controls a little bit of the sort of off the track, off the beaten path stuff that we

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have got going sometimes, but doesn't usually control it. Maybe we're talking about jelly

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sandwiches before we know about it. Okay, so our first actual question from Lex who says,

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apart from settings menu, what would be one of the first things in the UI to redesign that would

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change? Not quite sure we got any further than talking about the settings menu. I know that the

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settings menu was going to happen because it would allow us to do a whole lot of other stuff.

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Basically, we'd be able to throw check boxes, sliders, drop downs and input boxes for basically

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everything that people don't like. That's why we wanted to do it because right now we're sort of

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limited in that. For those who are unsure what that means, I would like you to go Google images

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of an airplane cockpit and imagine that you were designing that for the first time and needed a

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switch for literally everything that the plane could do and how you would design that. That's

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what the settings UI redesign does. You want to make sure that everything can fit. But no, after

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that we were looking into user blocking, which of course would have UI, but it wouldn't be UI

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redesign. It would be like new UI. However, with that might have come, I don't know, this is just

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me speaking hypothetically, might have come some edits to the contact screen because of course the

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contact screen would have needed new buttons for blocking if we were to do user blocking.

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For those in the modding community, I'm sure you're aware of the contact screen needing more

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space to put buttons. For those unaware of the modding scene, Neos mods in the Neos modding group,

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not moderators mods, it's really difficult. The two things have the same phrase, but whatever.

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They kept adding new buttons to the buttons that appear when you select someone in your contact

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screen and eventually it got to the point where like people's Neos contact buttons were overflowing

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and people were like, hey, can we stop adding context buttons? That was a good discussion that

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occurred over in the modding community. For those who are unaware, modding is perfectly fine and

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not against our terms of service. You can just go do it. Provided it's not malicious or breaks

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any of the other guidelines, go do it. You don't need mods for a lot of things. Some people come

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into our Discord or come into the modding Discord and be like, where's the flying mod? That's a

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native feature, guys. You don't need a mod for that. Gray has a question here. Are you going to

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MFF? I didn't know Canadian was going. That's interesting. I was in him at a convention before.

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Yeah, so MFF is Midwest fur fest. I knew it was fur fest. I just didn't know what it was.

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That's a furry convention that's in the Midwest. I don't know anything about it.

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No, I won't be going. I currently don't have a job for those who don't know.

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And so I can't fly random places on a whim because it's expensive. I'd actually cancel a visit to

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a friend's wedding. I had a really good friend, but I just couldn't justify the cost. So I had

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to cancel the visit to their wedding. That made me sad. And yeah, I can't attend conventions.

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When I had a job like I had before, I could totally just randomly fly around to wherever

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the hell I wanted to because I had a salary, but I don't currently. So I have to avoid travel.

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I'm trying to navigate and negotiate holiday travel plans, which my family are making endlessly

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complicated and I don't want it to be complicated. I just want to hop on a plane and get off and no

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one to yell at me. That's actually always the plan for the holiday period is like, no one to yell at

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me. That's all I want. If it were up to me, I'd probably just shut my door and do what I wanted

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over the holiday period. But hey, holidays are about family obligations. On a side note,

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whilst I wait for additional questions, I kind of like I do and don't understand fairy conventions.

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So let me just imagine a scenario. OK, so most people at fairy conventions just want to see

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people that they know or friends of theirs that they know to see people. And so what they do is

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they pay thousands of dollars to travel halfway around the world or whatever to essentially be

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in the most cramped space possible. Instead, what you could just do is say,

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this month, this date, where there's no fairy convention happening, this group of people can

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go to this town and hang out. And it costs so much less because you don't need fairy convention

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tickets. The hotels aren't ram packed because of all the other people that you'll never interact

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with. It's just pick a random time, go to a random town. You'll save so much more money

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and you basically make your own convention when that happens, of course. But it's easier to

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control than I'm going to go to this place where everyone else is going, these hotels,

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which are already rammed full of people to see a great group of people that I do want to speak,

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but also hang out with a bunch of people that I don't know that are basically raising the prices

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of everything. Lex says, wouldn't conventions be more about booths and discover a wider community?

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Yes, there is also that. But if that's what you're going for, that's great. From experience,

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a lot of people are going just to see each other. And if that's the case, then don't go to a

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convention. It's much cheaper to just visit each other. But yeah, no, booths and stuff like that.

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been to any specifically fairy conventions, I have been to various other types of conventions,

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including ones where I have been working there as a person of worky. I actually have in my bedroom

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hung around a large teddy bear is my collection of event passes. Every time you go to an event,

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you get like a lanyard. And I've collected all of them. And it is crazy because I had,

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as an example, I have an exhibitor badge for E3 a few years back. An exhibitor badge for E3, yes.

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It's one of my proudest moments. That is, I have an exhibitor E3 badge.

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Let's take a look. Oh, we have an actual Neos question. That's great. Let's get off the

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convention track. So Ozi asks, I noticed volume unlit materials are not super popular due to 3D

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textures being hard to understand outside of medical scans. Have you seen them used in Neos?

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If so, how? Well, outside of medical scans, no, I haven't seen them. Although there is this

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tutorial where I talk about making a GIF. And I think I make one as a joke. I import all the

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frames of a GIF as a 3D texture. And it's kind of creepy. I think it's in my public folder somewhere.

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It's a Doctor Who GIF of David Tennant as a doctor saying, oh, yes. And you kind of sort

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of scroll through it with the slicer. I don't know what you would use a 3D thingy for.

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I don't really know, like, when it comes to Neos features, you always need to start with,

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what are you trying to do? Otherwise, you'll just be lost. Like, what are you trying to do?

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I'm trying to build a boat. OK, then you need prims. You need a design for the boat. You can't

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just build a boat. But I want to build a boat. You know, you need to figure out what you want

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to do before you build a boat. For anyone who got that meme, congratulations. For anyone who did not

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get that meme, I'll link a video in a moment. So I don't really know what you'd use them for.

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Theoretically, you could use them for things like fog. But then a fog material would be better for

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that. The 3D texture stuff inside volume unlit is really stressful on your resources.

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I don't know enough about shader language to say this for certain. So if you quote me,

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quote me with this disclaimer, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm not a shader expert.

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When I read the shader code for volume unlit, it appears to be remarched. So just be careful with

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that shader. It is very intense. Particularly if you drop what's called the step size property

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down to zero, you can lower someone's frames. If you drop their step size down to zero and put their

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head inside it, you can lower their frames incredibly quickly. I don't know what you'd use it

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like an image of slices work. Sometimes there are other data sources that can do this. I want to say

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something like a radar scan might be possible. I'm not sure. I'm sort of thinking about those

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shockwave things they do to survey ground. You know, there's usually a man. It basically looks

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like they're shotgunning the floor. They're not. They're sending a shockwave through the floor so

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they can measure the sort of density of the rocks beneath them. I wonder if that sort of data would

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be able to sort of be 3D visualized. I don't know what sort of format it comes back in. Anyway,

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we'll move on. They go to show off their bespoke carpet suit. That is another thing. The sort of

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publicity of your character and all of the pictures and stuff like that. Yeah, that's

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always good. Moving on to Lex's question who said, so you know how people go to Wikipedia and browse

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for ages clicking a bunch of links. It's near so large. Would you happen to do that for the code?

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Yeah, that happens a lot. I have a renewed interest in this thing which I don't think

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it ever got finished or it's not up to date. It's called Code Bubbles. See if I can...

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I just searched that on Instagram. Curse my shortcuts. Code Bubbles. I have the DuckDuckGo

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browser doodads. If you do exclamation mark gi space, it will search Google Images. If you

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do exclamation mark i space, it will search Instagram. I just dropped the g. It's really

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old but I have a renewed interest in maybe making it figure out maybe if it's suitable.

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So there's a picture of it. So instead of navigating code via files, you navigate them

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via bubbles. The reason why that's great is because I can control click about 20 times before

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I actually get to the code I need inside the Neos codebase because I'm not familiar with all aspects

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of it. As an example, the other day I needed to figure out why... like the context menu code I

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needed to figure out the other day and it was just very thick. I don't mean thick as in silly,

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it's quite well written, but it was very thick as in I was in the input drivers and all sorts

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before I found out exactly what I needed to do. There was also a problem I was having with the

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world browser another day where I'd added a bunch of log statements to half of Neos to figure out

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something that was going wrong and then I figured out I just made an oopsie and it was a single line

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change. I'd actually then go like pull out all those log statements. It took like half an hour

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to pull out all those logs and get rid of them. That is kind of a meme though, removing log

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statements once you've fixed a bug. It's kind of sort of a thing that you'll know if you're a

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programmer. Arguably you should leave those log statements in there and then just sort of flag

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them off, but flag logging isn't something we have currently. I'll probably sort of try and get that

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in when I can. So moving on to Ozzy's question who says, related to Lexi's question, what's a funny

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Easter egg in the Neos code base? There's a bunch. You'll see actually one of them that exists in the

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latest tutorial I did which is in desktop mode. In desktop mode my cursor is a piece of cheese,

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it isn't the usual desktop cursor. That's because when Frix was creating the desktop mode he needed

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to make a cursor image and I don't know why it came up but I was just like maybe custom cursor

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images in the future? Mine would be cheese and then he just added it to the code base.

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We are removing some of the sort of old memes, particularly ones that have caused some confusion

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in the past. For example there is a joke screen which can be added to your assets, your dash.

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I don't remember the circumstances in which it was added but it adds a screenshot of discord because

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someone asked for a discord like tab on the dash and so we added a screenshot as a joke but then

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someone wrote a mod to re-enable that dash facet screen and then a lot of people got confused in

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the modding community and thought that we'd somehow got a discord client into Neos which is incorrect

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because that is against the discord terms of service so thumbs up. So yeah there's stuff like

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that that we're kind of removing. Sometimes it's just the comments that are funny though.

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When code doesn't make sense you know there's all the memes about sort of comments that say things

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like don't edit this code you'll die if you edit this code or this code is really difficult to

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understand but sometimes there's just like funny stuff that exists there and you can kind of feel

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and see their pain but in a more comical way than the standard sort of like this code is bad it's

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sort of you know I don't know why this works but it does and those are those are some funny easter

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eggs. With that we're out of questions so if anyone has any additional questions do let me know

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let somebody go look up that build a boat meme. Oh I got an email that's cool I'll have to deal with

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that later. There we go there's the build a boat meme it comes from Second Life. I don't answer

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cheese questions Gray Foxen. Cheese questions have all been answered in prior office hours please

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check the notes. Okay looking through oh we have another question fantastic thank you for the

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additional question. When working on the spirit sweepers game we found almost every action

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involving the player equipping, dequipping, avatars, moving the character, installing

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locomotions was best performed by the user versus another user or host. I understand networking is

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typically the go-to thing to blame but I'm wondering why that is. I think that's probably

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a function of synchronization so as a good analogy here when you think about a first-person

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shooter game two things happen when you shoot a gun in a first-person shooter game and this is

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like maybe older information from my brain I haven't looked at how new FPSs work but there are

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two things that happen and they are separate. Number one is animations happen so you shoot a

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game in an FPS animations happen you see the bullet leave the gun you see noise you see the

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muzzle flash you see whatever it hits you see particles from whatever it hits that is separate

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from what is actually happening to figure out if you actually hit them which is usually what's

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called a hit scan which is basically just a physics raycast right that is a separate operation

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now sometimes that physics hit scan is performed locally which gets a result but that is also then

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sent to the server to perform a server-side calculation to see if that actually happened

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from an authoritative point of view and depending on the synchronization of those events you can get

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sort of the gun doesn't fire but you kill someone the gun does fire but you don't kill someone

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and then you know the actual one that you want which is the gun does fire visually and you

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actually kill someone and you get the points and if all of those aren't synced up then you end up

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with a game which is not satisfying excuse me there I almost died for a second words are

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difficult sometimes for neos that's sort of the same thing kind of happens there are nodes and

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operations which are validated by the host but the trigger of that event should be as close to

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the event as possible so you're right in saying it should be the user carrying out the interaction

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and that is because they will start to see the results of that interaction first and it'll be

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snappy additionally if you trigger an event for a user from another user then that other user has

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to send that message to the host and then the host has to send that message to the user that

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actually the event is for so just try and keep that smaller right so if you're equipping an

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avatar you want that to come from the person which is equipping the avatar you don't want

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that coming from OZ or Lex you know on other sides of the planet like let's say you know Lex

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is over in Australia I'm over in America and Lex equips an avatar for me that's like okay cool

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Lex sends a message to the host let's say the host is in Europe it says equip an avatar for Prime and

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then the host has to send that message to me and it says yo you've equipped another avatar there's

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latency there yeah things things can get really really strange and like the most annoying thing

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as well like desync is one of the most annoying things you just don't feel like a human great

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asks a metaphysical question which is always interesting what kind of life form would you be

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if you couldn't be a carbon-based one I have like a interesting answer on that one which is like

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I don't particularly enjoy biological life if that makes sense we're gross like humans are gross

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right we constantly need to like shove crap in our face and every like every pore in your skin

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is currently producing like goop that you don't want and so periodically you have to go wash it

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off it's gross so I think like the idea of identity being just floating there is good

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there are lots of films which try to do that but they usually do it as like

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oh it's a floating cloud of like glowy mist or glowy light and I'm just like

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oh yeah look into that non-corporeal I guess would be the thing right I don't

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I don't I don't want to leak goop everywhere but I do leak goop everywhere like right now I'm warm

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right so I'm leaking more goop than I should be doing I should take off my sweater anyway

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let's move on and stop talking about goop who's he asked do you have a strategy with best

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combating corrections and sessions or what to exactly look for sometimes it can be massively

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annoying trying to understand what could be causing them like apparently world intensity

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world color systems being driven which is saddening that like could be a bunch of problems

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all in one and I think the best answer there would be of course in terms of features to wait

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for hard permissions at that point we can sort of say hey you can't drive this particular system

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because it's it's not yours to drive but whilst that doesn't occur I always like to

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sort of restart the world with no one in it and see what the problems and then journey around the

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world looking for those problems it's it's always difficult to figure out what's going on there

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lots of stuff which people do can be undesirable but they don't know it's undesirable or

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they've put something on the avatar and they don't even know how it works and it's undesirable

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I'm looking at you with the bells on your collars please configure your bells such that they have

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a localized volume and not global volume and maybe use your own sound effect not the common

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sound effect which is used on 99% of bells now I have seen some good bells out there like I'm

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seeing a change there are some good bells out there but the majority of bells are exactly the

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same as I've been seeing for years and they are incredibly loud incredibly annoying in global

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audio space and I can't like they're so shrill as well I know that kind of went to like my common

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rant about bells but you know um if you have like a specific circumstance let me know it's

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difficult to answer sort of generically about saying like hard permissions would probably help

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with that no no bells bells aren't bad it's the way that they're configured I've changed my

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opinion on bells recently to be 99% of bells are bad because I have seen a few that are okay

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maybe I should go to MFF I'll take like a church bell with me and just constantly ring it I'll put

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it like on a dolly and just like push it around the convention and just be like ringing it

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continually I'm also waiting for additional questions Lex is that interstellar does it well

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with a fourth dimensional being that does it well yep I agree um star trek discovery one of the

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later seasons does it well I can't really say much without doing spoilers but there is a creature in

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there which which is great um if I said like cosmic horror you'd see like you know the additional

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forms of life that aren't goop bags are interesting to me I think although the aliens in arrival are

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good and are very strange they still are goop bags so no goop speaking of goop after this

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office hours I'm gonna go get another another mug of coffee which is just goop I'm gonna go drink

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some goop I see what you mean Ozi so Ozi says um that they were trying to optimize uh some session

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performance issues and they found some funny systems such as a fire on change of no user

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attached a localized dine bar that did a loop through of hundred slots to turn off lights

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all sorts of stuff like that if using dynamic variables why do you need to loop to turn off

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lights just use a dynamic variable driver and a world scoped variable and you can turn off all

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the lights without a loop what the hell maybe I should do a tutorial on that just turning off

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a hundred lights with a dynamic variable because like without dynamic variables I can agree that

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would probably be difficult but with dynamic variables holy crap that's like most great

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thing ever I know that there is a little bit of a stigma around using the world dynamic variable

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space but if the lights and the objects are part of the world which you own which you are building

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use the world dynamic variable space exclusively it's great I use it a lot for the science that

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I'm doing because I'm like this isn't a world for socialness this is a world for science so I can

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just shove stuff in the world dynamic variable space all day it's great like if you go into a

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world of mine where we're doing science it's eye movements eye rotation the secret to the life

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that you diverse and everything it's all in the wild the world uh the variable space but if I'm

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building like an avatar or I'm building an object which is designed to go into other people's worlds

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then it doesn't use world because that is kind of rude. Grace says if you go to mmf would you

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consider wearing a tf2 spy costume with a paper furry mask as a disguise no there's a 3d printer

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in my bedroom which I packed up because I was going to move apartments then didn't I would

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unpack that up I would print off my mask I have links saved in my browser for everything I would

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need to authentically recreate my avatar irl and that is what you would see I would even take a

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drill and drill like a hole into the mouth hole so I can like put a straw in there and drink from it

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because I think a that would be funny and b it would be ironic people like ah it's lunchtime

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Prime's finally going to remove his mask of like nope as I just like cram goop in my mouth hole

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okay we're at 28 so if there are no more questions we'll be closing down shortly I see

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Ruscio's typing if you have a question please go ahead Lex if you're typing you can get a question

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as well otherwise we'll be ending after these questions are sorted out. Lex asks how do you

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feel about sounder shutting down its podcast hosting service are you going to migrate to

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another podcast hosting service or just use the wiki um I don't know right now it kind of

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agitates me that the reason why I picked sounder in the first place is because they had automatic

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transcription and then they turned off automatic transcription and now they're shutting down so

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it's really annoying I'll look around and see what like stuff is there I just want it to be like

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automatic I kind of know that Lex does a bunch of work after office hours to to process the audio

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and then put it on the wiki I want it to be automatic and that's my like goal so that's why

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I started with sounder and then just went downhill I will do what I can I don't really know what I'm

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going to do though it is on my to-do list to look at it's just not very high enough to do this right

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now okay um cutting off questions after Ramper because because Stifle you snuck one in there

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that's absolutely fine but but Ramper if you've got a question perfect otherwise no more questions

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you know when like an umpire declares safe on umpires that the baseball I don't know baseball

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terms the guy wearing all the armor he's like they're they're saying that that that's the

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motion I'm doing right now if you know baseball let me know what I'm saying yeah cool

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Rusev says I've been hearing more and more users coming into worlds for starting point in logic so

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particularly I would typically take the time to start showing them but unfortunately been too

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busy to provide building stuff to provide assistance you know any good starting points

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to recommend when you can't provide direct help um I you know in the military where people do drills

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and part of the reason there is that they want they want users of of you know weapons or equipment

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or orders like half the point for you know militaries so that people follow orders of that

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question to just do what they're told without thinking about it and that's why you know you

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clean your gun you just you you know you dismantle the gun you put it back together you load it you

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unload it you check the chain you do all that stuff so you know when it's drummed into you

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I want people to do that when they learn logics with the logics tip I see so many people struggle

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because they don't take the time to understand the like the terminology and the mechanics of just

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using the logics tip um so a good example there that I have I don't know where I put it in my

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public folder um someone knows because it's in the um the mentor workshop world so glad to see that

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I edited a logics tip to um have a node menu attached to it which just has maths nodes

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and I think I removed some of the sort of options on the context menu somehow or maybe I didn't I

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can't remember um that's good though because what that does is it's purely there to teach you

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spawning nodes and linking two nodes together and that's what I want people to start with I don't

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want people to start with I want to build a boat or on a boat again I want people to start with

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spawning a node connecting a node to another node disconnecting a node from another node

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packing and unpacking and so when we get into complex tutorials and I say and then spawn this

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node I don't get wait how do I do that again like I want that to be like memory and for those of you

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who have been doing logics for a while you know that that's memory you know if I say to you oh

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yeah you'll need a four node for that you like automatically half the people in this office hours

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are like oh yeah flow loop right you know like you did it in your head really quickly and it was

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almost subconscious right I want that to happen for people who are learning logics so many people

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get like down in the depths of logics and then I don't understand how anything works it's like

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okay do you know how to spawn a node well I keep forgetting that okay cool welcome to boot camp

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today we'll be sporting a node 400 times and then you'll know how to do it additionally a good

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tip as well is for that that mathematical logics node browser I talked about the reason why I did

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that is because the logic nodes for maths don't have any confusion they all spawn with float the

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data types by default which means you don't have to worry about data types none of them have

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impulse lines because impulse lines are confusing when you start none of them have reference lines

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which are confusing when you start by references I mean things like slots and users and then

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it's just mathematics and you connect them two together I remember Zane I haven't really seen

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Zane on Neos that much but for those who know Zane I saw Zane and he didn't know logics and I gave him

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like I didn't have that an logic node browser at the time but I drew like a box like a rectangle

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around a grouping of nodes and it was just plus minus divided in times and I said just link these

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together those are the only nodes that you can you can use you can't use any other folders you can't

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use any nodes that have white ribbons you can just use these nodes and he put them together and he

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was doing mathematics and learning how the you know the techniques of that worked and he said

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well what can I do I'm kind of comfortable with that and so I gave him the t node the t node that

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just counts up and he plugged that into all of his maths and he's like well t isn't round over here

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but over here I have a round number and it's like cool that that's that's great you appear to have

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rounded a number accidentally by using a bunch of mathematics that's cool and they were enjoying it

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and then I think I plugged their random mathematics into the shape of a sphere or

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something and it was like jumping around and then they got the picture I don't I don't like how you

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know we start with like I want to make a gun or I want to make a custom multi-tool or a custom

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inspector start with can you spawn a node and can you link them together okay moving down to

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stifle who says when a user is under a slot with a tag and I think created not spawned from the

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inventory will have that tag that is created including object logic's important assets what

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are some good use cases for it I don't know that can be useful for like tags are meant to sort of

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be like categorization of objects so I don't really know why that functionality was originally

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added I would ask freaks freaks is kind of busy right now so I don't really know what might be

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uses for that kind of have an example I guess from a world I'm building where I need I need

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every object that has a certain tag to be parented under at least some other object right it can't

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go to root so many things in news that are either written by users or not written by users sometimes

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it's you know nodes or components or just accidentally parent stuff to root and that

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cannot happen for this world and so I start attacking stuff that needed to not be under root

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as a certain tag and then I could I could pick that up and repairing it to where it needed to

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go that was useful yes that's a use remember guys though tags aren't evil I made a whole tutorial

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on that because tags used to be used for data storage and people are like tags are bad no tags

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are fantastic you just need to use them correctly braces this is a podcast no not really but I was

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struggling to get it up on the wiki because the wiki is you know kind of unreliable sometimes

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and I found this service called sounder and I put it on sounder and it turns out you know

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sounder is a podcast platform and it automatically dumps my episodes into spotify so I'm podcast now

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hi all right then the last question that we have is from ramp who says I mean the transcriber could

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be made for you by community with some good ml people otherwise I heard my question just answered

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not to ask if there any form of I'll figure something out like I'll probably move it to

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another podcasting platform I just don't know which one it would need I guess better transcription

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like I would love if like if it did whisper api just like just by itself that would be great

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because it means that that Lex wouldn't have to do it not that I don't want him to do it it's just

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I want it to be as automatic as possible as automatic as possible you know it's up to me

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every time I made a tutorial I make a page of notes about it that includes everything you see

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in the description field I would love it if I could basically hand the video file and the

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description text file to some program and be like do it right and it would like I don't know make a

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thumbnail upload it post it on twitter post it in discord and I wouldn't have to deal with it because

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automation is cool as linker says tags as in tags on the item inspector yeah in slot tags tags are

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used like everywhere like there's tags on records there's tags on assets there's tags on contacts

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there's tags on users tags on slots within a world with that I believe we're done so I'm gonna go

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ahead and end off here if you guys have any additional questions please do direct message

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me post them in questions and help or speak to anyone else that might be able to help you out

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I will see you again next week do you remember that you can submit questions before the session

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as well you can find that form on the office hours wiki pages along with

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prior notes from all the other sessions I hope you all have a fantastic day