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Okie dokie welcome to prime time this is the half hour segment where I answer

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questions from you guys so drop questions in the questions and help

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channel. Go ahead and just ping the role again just let people know that we are

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getting started and then I'll get started with the first question which

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has been queued up here by Zetaphor. Thank you for that question. They are

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asking hey prime we're all noticing some interesting arrow logs showing up in our

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temp folder indicating the use of caffe2, a machine learning library these

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spaces to be correlated with us running our Neos clients and only started

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around a week ago. Do you have any insight on this discussion here? Are you

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sure you can't find that like anywhere else? We haven't updated any of our like

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libraries or anything. Alright let me go to my temp folder like it's not that I

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don't believe you guys it's just that I'm trying to find the fastest way to

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get an answer here and so if I have files as well data doesn't exist for

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some reason. Local temp just in local temp like no other folder or anything

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like in the root of local temp yeah I got them. Weird. Alright I'll have to dig

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into that one some more it's a good on the ping there I did see the ping come

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in before but we'll start it with like I'll dig into this after after this

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office hours segment we'll move on to questions if they are there if they're

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not I'll just mute and dig into this way let's take a look there are no

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additional questions right now so please get some questions into the questions

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and helps channel not the questions help channel sorry the questions prime time

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thread within the office hours text channel I'll get to them as soon as I

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can whilst we wait for questions I'll be looking into this log awareness I thank

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you I don't answer questions about food it's just questions about Neos so one of

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things about these log files is that is the temp directory and that the temp

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directory is bombarded with just absolute bullshit 24-7 so yeah no it's

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not so the next question we have from Zetta is it's possible to drive

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rotation from a pan of 3d or other 3d components no quaternions are

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four-dimensional vectors that are like they have different rules completely

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different rules to regular mathematics because of what they need to do and how

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they need to work wiggly would be the any way that you could do that honestly

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like some form of other components would be better at that point it is float to

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Q not float 3 we render it as float Q and sorry we render it as float 3 in the

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inspectors because float Q's don't make sense to the average user so we do

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Euler Euler and interpolation in the in the inspector so that's just a display

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thing it's not something that you can like use so just like find a component

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that works if look you maybe value gradient drive will be a good way to do

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Pana or just use logics the you know the amazing feature that we added to Neos

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for you to use that it also says that they didn't using logics in the end for

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their rotational issues just great they want to make sure that they weren't

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reinventing a component yeah um there are a few like mapper components that

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might do it for you but don't worry about like reinventing a component just

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just do it whatever way works for you obviously if you need to optimize later

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do it but for the most part it'll be okay just reminder for those who are

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just joining or have not heard before this is office hours if your questions

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please drop them in the office hours text chats thread for this particular

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session that's a few channels about the one that you're currently in I'll ask

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them in the order that they appear any questions will do thank you so no

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question here from Zari who asks is there a way to load assets when joining

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a world before one actually spawns into it for the chugging lagging when one

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joints more properly session yes you need to customize it yourself though or

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build a tool to do it there is a functionality in the open world logics

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node which will prevent loading into like switching until the world is ready

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I have heard it can be flaky but people use a lot for portals and well

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transition systems to take a look at that there we get Lex has made a world

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preloader which is the the tool that I was referring to moving almost stars as

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a question is there any way to get a single float value to drive let's say

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just a Y value in a float to with just components of needs to be done in logic

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that's fun too well in logic you would just do a pack XYZ or a pack XY to get

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it into the appropriate data type that you wish to get into for non logics

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methodologies look at the mapper component so there's a transform drivers

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mapper something there those do very specific things which are often not

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usable for this situation but like sometimes are if those don't work try

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the swizzle drivers which are in relation swizzle drivers or I think

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relations yeah the swizzle drivers kind of snuck in mostly because people don't

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know what swizzling means it kind of sounds weird

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swizzling is really much what you're after though it just means rearranging

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like a vector a little bit don't answer questions about cheese in the prime time

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office hours I ask questions about Neos what is your favorite type of cheese is

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rejected you can search the previous notes for answers to that particular

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question for example that's a new cheese question so Fuzzy Fox you'll manage to

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get that new cheese question that I haven't had before but we'll go to

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pandas question first which is what you like to do on your spare time lost or

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Neos I have no spare time on Neos like if I'm not testing random bugs or

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helping out people then I'm just trying to chill in the world but often when I'm

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trying to chill in a to a world it turns into someone will come in and start

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talking about mods or plugins someone will start coming in and talking about

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how so-and-so feature of Neos needs to be written because they poked around in

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the source code and they found out that they didn't like the way it is written

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and I'm right there with you I just can't really do anything about it right

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now so maybe don't do that to a Neos team member thanks or someone will come in and

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complain about something which is understandable given the current climate

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those are kind of like bad interactions but then if people come in and ask

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questions that's usually the best interactions right they come in and

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they're just like I'm trying to learn how to do X I'm you know I'm trying to

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build this avatar make this thing I love those questions right because we're not

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like it it's almost like meta conversations about Neos are thrown in

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the same bucket as like crypto conversations you know how I'm like no

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one wants to talk about crypto and Neos this like signs and various worlds

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crypto conversation users will be shot or whatever I want like meta-Neos

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discussions to also be in that bucket what do I mean by meta-Neos discussions

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I mean discussions about the current situation about the code base about the

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lack of certain features about the roadmap about like plans like accepting

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Neos at face value and moving forwards with that to build something is my

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favorite interaction with other users rather than being in a corner talking

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about mods plugins or which part of the code base they'd like to read right if

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they could it's all good like I get why you're doing it I'm not faulting you for

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it it's just you know I've been working for like 12 hours today and trying to

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hit chill out and someone's like this so-and-so thing makes no sense and I'm

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like yeah I agree so now jumping down to what's your favorite cheese model that

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you've come across so that's actually a cheese sandwich made by sloppy

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mcfloppy using the ring of the neolander they just pulled out then area in the

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lander they made a cheese sandwich it is in the cheese folder which is in my

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public folder art and then cheese that is full of like basically everything

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there including cheese wisdom which is a series of audio clips which apanda not

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cloud panda recorded with my permission I didn't realize the recording I gave

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them permission post afterwards and then I misspelled cheese wisdom very badly in

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the folder name so I need to remit the folder by keep forgetting to anyway

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there's some funny sound effects in there including explanation of why

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platypuses do not have udders or nipples I promise you that audio is in there and

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it's interesting because platypuses are mammals which is very confusing when you

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look at a platypus it's like that's a duck or a beaver I'm very confused sir

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asks have you ever thought about an alt if you haven't trouble in game

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recognition I've never used an alt it's just like bad like I understand why

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people do it I just like it's it's it's not my my dealio the the gains that you

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get are not that much as well because like even though now people don't know

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that you're a Neos team member some people will then know that you're a

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Neos team member and then you've been decloaked and then even if no one knows

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that you're a Neos team member you know you don't speak like for example has

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anyone thought maybe froppy is actually frugs they both start with F and froppy

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is mute and they never speak and they're really cool and frugs is really cool so

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like is froppy frugs or vice versa like who knows anyway that is you know one

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way of doing it is being mute but so like even with that right if no one

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knows who you are you still have that burden there right so if you're inside a

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session and people are complaining then you can still hear that feedback and

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internalize that feedback even though you're on your own so it just wouldn't

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work out froppy you're cool I've seen froppy and frugs in the same

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session so that they're fine unless they're like multi boxing and like you

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know splicing their VR into multiple computers at once you know yeah they do

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both have two O's let's move forwards on some additional questions sorry says

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have you felt that the videos about reading the room have had a tangible

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impact on the behavior in Neos or do you wish people would point people more to

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them in game I wish people would point people to whatever resource helps them

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understand how that sort of avenue of stuff needs to work maybe my video

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doesn't work for you for whatever reason and you need some other sort of resource

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or mechanism for that I wish we had more I wish had faster ways of doing it as

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well a good example of that would be over on VR chat where in the loading

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screen they'll put up random messages I'm one of the like your best messages

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there is like don't do shit without people's consent or well banya but like

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really worthy nicely worded I'd car with exact wording so I was like paraphrasing

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there it's a good message right and yeah people don't read it because it's a

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loading screen and they kind of just zone out but it's about like making that

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information available to people and available in a way that can be consumed

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that video might not be like the best way to do that I don't know what the

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best way is what I do know though is that that video has led to a lot of

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people give me feedback that they have enjoyed it and I also know that has

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shaped a lot of people's way of you know interacting with people on Neos which

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evidently you know will rub off on some other parts of the population as it sort

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of spreads culturally in a sort of tribal way right so it has done good I

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just wish there was some mechanism we could do to sort of like you know swoop

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down into your brain you put a headset right we could add some like surgical

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instruments to your VR headset and just let you know slot it directly into your

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brain with some drills and stuff it's really the only way we'd get everyone

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like on that information and hey my my videos terrible on all of the social

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videos I'm like disclaimer I might be poo-poo poo-poo pee-peeing this up I

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might be like literally being hypocritical and sometimes I am and

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that's because we're all not perfect right sometimes I might fail to read

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the room sometimes I might but in an accident they take over when someone's

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helping someone like we're not perfect and so I keep that disclaimer there

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because like hey you want to call me out on something go for it if we learn and

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grow together we'll learn and grow together or as if we just like I don't

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know get scared about and hide in the corner we'll get scared about it and hide

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in the corner Zachary has a question here which is if I built a world and I'm

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not sure if I did something an efficient way could I ping you and let you swing

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by to take a look I do not have time to do that best bet is to ask in the

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discord for a mentor specifically a mentor that is suitable for world

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building the efficient in air quotes ways of building a world do spread

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around a little bit again like that tribal knowledge we do want to write

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them up on the wiki given the current climate wiki editing is is less of a

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priority for me right now but we do want to write that up on the wiki

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particularly dispelling any myths about stuff which does not improve world

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performance such as the video I did on asset the asset the duplication system

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and how that is frequently bypassed almost accidentally dorky confirms that

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as an Australian who has studied wildlife that they are still confused by

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the platypus fantastic thank you for being confused by the panelists also get

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confused by the pangolin which I believe is also like a rodent or maybe they're

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a mammal I can't remember pangolins are interesting moving towards two

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additional questions Ruscio says for the delay or delay with value node when used

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with no input can you blame the default behavior it seems like it's performing

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some kind of delay based on its ability to prevent some loops going red is it

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equivalent to a single update delay you mean the delay one with time I mean I

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guess you can just look at both let me take a look delay no this is a base

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class interesting delay the dot evaluate cool start with that so start delay

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gets a second it looks like it'll do whatever the default value for a float

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is but by its nature if you know anything about C sharp you can just go

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figure out right it does task dot delay and then whatever the default value for

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a float is and so I believe if you do like the equivalent of a weight a weight

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task delay zero you still bump execution out of the synchronous you bump it you

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still bump it to an asynchronous location even though there is a zero

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second delay so that might be the update cycle that you're saying basically it's

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like diverting to the next update loop because you basically said hey break

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here we're going into async land and then come back literally less than a

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second exactly zero seconds after that so yeah even if it was zero you'd get

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that basically one update cycle delay I would much rather you use the updates

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delay for those who are aware the delay and delay with value nodes take a time

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so that's good if you want sort of like cooldowns or a time sequence or

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something like that the updates delay node will delay events by a number of

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updates which is basically just sort of everything updating in the world that's

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sometimes needed you'll frequently come across it with dynamic variables and

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reparenting sort of creating dynamic variables dynamic variable spaces you'll

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know when you need an update delay node eventually again I'd love to wrap some

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guidelines on those but like sometimes I literally just throw them in there

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because stuff isn't working like if you've ever like got logics and you're

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like I really really think that this should work and it doesn't work and it's

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like 5 a.m. and I haven't had any sleep and I need it to work try throwing in

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some updating relays try floring in some to update delay nodes two is usually a

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good number and see if it works and then slowly start removing those elements

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until it you know stops working again and then you'll figure out where you

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need those particular items all right I didn't realize that I needed to scroll

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down so if I was just sitting there in silence just cuz I didn't realize I

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needed to scroll down so give me a second once I catch up just make sure I

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haven't delayed any questions here so Zetta says during performance penalty to

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the initial load of an avatar for slot strict assets that are marked as

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inactive are they loaded and left inactive yes that exactly actually comes

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up good way of thinking about that one is the good old sort of like drummed in

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via moderation thing about do not have appendages on your avatar right even if

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the mesh loader the mesh is right even if the slot is disabled the mesh renderer

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is disabled I'm still going to end up with an appendage on my computer in my

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cache so don't put appendages on your avatars by default and you load cloud

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avatars instead if you need your appendage load into the avatar that has

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the appendage or spawn the appendage and attach it to yourself don't keep it

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there same thing goes with Zetta's question there which is if you don't

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need the object in this case it could be something more innocuous than an

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appendage don't have it on the avatar good example being like guns right so I

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see a lot of people will have like a holstered gun on their avatar which they

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shoot I don't know like once a week you don't need that on your avatar or maybe

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you need one that is inactive and doesn't have logic on it if it's part of

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the character that you want part of it to be you know it's there then they're

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just it's an inactive gun then you'd have less of a cost there because you

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won't be loading the logics on the gun and then hey if you need the gun you can

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support it in or update it or cloud spawn it or do all sorts of stuff like

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that socks I don't respond well to dots you'll please need to enunciate and

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elaborate on your your thought Lux asks what kind of world building tools that

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don't exist ready do you think people who are more artistically orientated

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appreciate to help their creative flow I haven't seen some people get hung up

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making stuff because they don't want to bother with delving deep into inspectors

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or the gizmos and kind of wonky doing architecturally precise things

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architectural tools are certainly something that we need a really good

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example being the builder tip by Gehepe which is one of the amazing Japanese

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creators that we have that lets you snap together various tile sets to really

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really quickly make buildings and objects a little known fact about the

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builder tip is that you can make your own sets so let's say that you just got

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an amazing I don't know let's say city pack on the sketch fab and you know it's

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got snappable stuff like a park and then like a bank or whatever you could load

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that into the builder tip like it doesn't have to be walls it doesn't have

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to be doors it could be like road pieces for a racetrack it could be stairs it

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could be you know it could be fruit that you want to like tessellate for some

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reason like it could be hexagons that you want to tessellate on a floor like it

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doesn't need to be the default pack you can just add stuff to it

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additionally sort of architecturally speaking it's just sort of like more

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tools that like feel good to use a good example which I use a lot right now but

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not a lot of people realize exist is if you go to essential tools and you look

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around there there's the meter tool tip the meter tool tip allows you to measure

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stuff in the world and not a lot of people need to measure stuff I do because

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I do a lot of science it's important to make things off to scale but once you

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start using the meter tip you feel like it feels good right there's no

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inspectors to it you're like I want to know how big this appendage is I can

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measure it using the meter tip I don't need to get an inspector it was too good

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not to carrying on peach says do mirrors have an option to not show other

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mirrors reflections if so please do a video I don't believe that is a thing

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right now that would be more of a gains question I do believe we have a github

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issue open about it where there's talk of mirrors and stuff like that my advice

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there is just don't show a mirror to another mirror which I know is like sort

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of a cop-out but like it depends on your scenario there was that MMC entry forget

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what it was called but it had lots of reflection based mechanics as a puzzle

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game so sorry I forgot its name but they must have done some tricks there to

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figure that out with that I don't believe we got any additional questions

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I'm gonna go ahead and cool things here if you have any additional questions

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please drop them in questions and help DM me or anything like that and I will

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get back to you as soon as I can thank you for sitting here with me today to

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talk about tools and I will see you again next week