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Okay, so welcome to office hours, it is the top of the hour, it is 4pm, if you have questions

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please feel free to drop them into the office hours chat, otherwise we're going to sit here

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and wait for questions.

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So let's get going.

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I see people type, excellent, I eat questions for breakfast, well it's actually 4pm so I

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eat questions for early dinner I guess, I did just eat, I have a cup of tea here, so

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I'm going to mute whilst I wait for questions and slurp on some tea.

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Speaking of slurping, are people aware of that meme with the guy that tastes ice cream?

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That's a good meme.

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I found the source of it, it's interesting, sometimes you just accidentally find the sources

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of memes and it's cool.

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So it's the chief ice cream tester at a creamery and his tongue is insured for a million dollars

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and he tests all the new flavours and I watched a documentary on ice cream making on the history

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channel that was uploaded to YouTube.

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And yeah, it's a meme, I found the origination accidentally and suddenly I was just faced

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with like, wait a minute, that's the ice cream guy, I'll get the video for you, here it is.

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This person uses a gold spoon because it leads to less aftertaste.

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I don't know what he means, if I eat at someone else's house or sometimes when I'm on vacation

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and I use other cutlery that's not mine, food will taste slightly different if I've been

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eating it with my cutlery, I realised I'd eaten more cutlery and so I ordered more but

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I ordered more of a different type and so now my cutlery drawer is mixed with cutlery.

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Why are we talking about food spoons, let's move on.

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So a question from Holy which is which tea flavour, currently El Grey, it's probably

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a little bit late for caffeine but you can't stop me, I forgot to filter the water though

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so it's a bit there.

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Okay now an actual legitimate question, isn't it about ice cream cutlery or tea, come Griffin

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thank you.

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I've noticed that sometimes my avatar import will not add an eye manager when selected,

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what might cause this if it's put here, it's put it on before but lately I've also been

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checking the box for face tracking setup.

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It might occur that it doesn't get put on if it can't find your eyes, so similar to

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like the other bone related structures, if it can't find them then it doesn't do that,

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like for example if you rig a model that doesn't have hands that conform to our requirements

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then it won't add the hand stuff, like it'll still allow you to move your arms and your

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hands but it won't then do finger tracking, who was it that had that issue?

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I think it was someone that was importing one of the Risk of Rain characters, the Lemurians,

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like just the standard sort of like stand up sort of animalistic looking characters,

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they don't really have fingers or correct fingers so they just, it just doesn't get

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set up so do check to keep an eye on that.

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So Bean, thank you for typing your question, I guess my one question is when you're planning

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implementing an option to disable post-processing, some of my friends have epilepsy, can't join

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because the post-processing is hurting their eyes, will there be a better GUI, hi, struggling

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with my words today, will there be a better GUI for desktop users so drawing shapes is

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easy, building is fun but it's difficult and I've tried the real, okay, lots of questions

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there, so if it says disabling post-processing, that's actually blocked on like two separate

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things.

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So number one is like we are trying to change up our graphical engine to make it easier

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to do stuff like that for you, until we do that, we don't really want to invest a time

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in that.

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I'm aware that it's bad, I would love to provide the ability to disable it but we've just made

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the sort of stance that we need to focus our efforts elsewhere right now and then the second

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one there is our settings UI, if you go to our settings tab, it's just a mess, like it's

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a mess, like it's one of the worst parts of our UI, we can't go on with that settings

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UI so we want to update that such that there is more room for settings and when I say settings

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or the settings, at which point it'll be like hey you want settings, we've got settings,

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I hope we have a way to like hide and show certain settings, otherwise like we're just

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going to end up with like setting soup again but that'll then also allow those features.

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That's all I've already got for you, I'm interesting to hear like which particular part of post-processing

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is the problem, is it the bloom, I wouldn't imagine it would be the AO but I could understand

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if the bloom is doing it.

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As for your second question about drawing, have you tried, oh no you're talking about

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desktop drawing, yeah for desktop drawing I'm not sure, desktop mode is of course supported

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right now but like it's unclear what like the next priority in improving that will be,

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I know that we need to get better sort of naturalistification, that's not a word but

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like you know what I mean, going for desktop users so they don't just look flat, for example

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I see a lot of avatars where they're in desktop and their hands are at their sides but they're

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at their sides without any sort of consideration about how wide the character is and so they're

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like their hands are just sort of like in their belly or in their thighs just like hanging

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there like straight, if we could get like some sort of natural animations going there

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I think that would be a lot more appreciated than them staying like that, so there's lots

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of like desktop things that we need to look at, same with like walking, posing, stuff

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like that, like VRChat does it where there are different, like there are different animations

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by default but you can also kind of customize those, now we won't have animation support

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in the same way that VRChat does because we know we're not unity but like they do have

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better default animations for desktop based avatars where their hands are out to the side,

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it's almost like a like a sneaky look from a video game like you're sneaking but like

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you know it does like make it look a bit better, like I always say like it's obvious if someone

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is in desktop because of those like animations but yeah the reason why I mention hand posing

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is because that's usually the problem right, so you just like the tool comes out of your

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hand and then your hand goes wonky, to me it like might be better if like we had an

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option for like the tool to just be attached to your face, you have like because of your

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mouse you've got ultimate control over your face like if you could just draw over your

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face you'd basically be back to like a regular drawing experience, I remember those days

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where I can't figure out if I'm warm or cold so I put on a sweater now I'm gonna mute and

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take off a sweater whilst the next questions are typed, keep those questions coming on

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just imagine primary moving a sweater that's all that's happening right now, and I'm back

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because there's another question, so NFT Hater says try to import an avatar in Eos but the

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arms feel way too short, how to fix it, so if you inspect the root of the avatar, I can

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never remember these, they're luckily they're on the same slot so you can just scroll through

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them, it's either VRIK or VRIK avatar I can never remember which they're named terribly

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I hate them, on one of those components you'll find properties about the arms and on those

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arms will be arm length multiplier, arm length multiplier allows you to if you overdrive

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it have like spaghetti arms but I don't advise that because it kind of like pushes your chest

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back at those levels but you can tweak it a little bit and it will give you longer arms

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I do that frequently as I am ginormous and you know my arms are really long so I need

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to sort of do that for my use, good way to test if you need to do that is to in VR extend

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your arm until your actual avatar arm stops moving and then stretch and see what happens

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right you can almost see especially if you've got the SteamVR overlay open you can see that

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the controller goes further but your arm stops if you see that then you should tweak the

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arm length multiplier so that those line up I always like do I touch the top of my head

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then I touch my elbow or my shoulder now it's not gonna be good in terms of angle but it

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should be good in terms of position because we don't have like elbow tracking unless you

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got the trackers for it we don't have elbow tracking so there's no way to like you know

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do that moving onwards Gran Griffin asks is making a model double-sided causing meaningful

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performance difference I believe that it actually doubles the vertices if it doubles the vertices

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and of course it doubles the the you know the diversity count of the model if it doesn't

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divert doesn't double them then no performance impact therefore wherever possible I would

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recommend instead using the PBS dual sided or turning off the culling option on the 62

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when you do that make sure you give the model a good look around there are some times where

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like having no culling just makes everything look really really weird and that's because

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like if you've got faces that are like really intersecting and then having them doubled

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up could just do to like just sort of impossible geometry and stuff it's in that a couple of

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times of like hair or fur on some avatars where you double-side it and everything just

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looks weird I like the like new way that a lot of like new avatars with fur doing it

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where they kind of like they sculpt sort of triangle cones into the actual mesh rather

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than doing the old approach which is like opacity like single-sided opacity excluded

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like triangles and stuff because that way you don't have those issues gun Griffin second

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question says what other settings are relevant for calibrating an avatar where do you find

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them in hierarchy all right so there is a lot in the root of the avatar vrk vrk avatar

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I have a lot there in particular look at the gate system if someone like figures out the

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gate system and comes up with a good standard for the gate system like you'll get so much

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cake because like I know people like lots of people don't like the standard gates but

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they didn't realize they can edit them everyone's like oh I wish you know you could just add

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an animation for walking you can edit the gate system in my editing of the gate system

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I made myself leapfrog and regardless of like both feet were like stuck together and I would

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just like hop forwards and then I increased the speed of that and I turned my feet into

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like a jackhammer and it just was like you know boom boom boom boom boom because like

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I increased the amount of steps per like meter and that was a really cool thing I then made

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my like strides really big and we went from goose stepping which is like an historical

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march that German soldiers used to do I believe I'm not a historian but I remember goose stepping

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being a sort of like meme about Germany or something in history lesson I don't remember

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all the way to what I'm just gonna call sort of ballet leaping you know when a ballet dancer

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leaps forward with their leg outstretched that was again gate settings that I did so

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if you want different walking animations gates there's a lots of stuff there I don't know

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what half of them do my best bet is to like mess with them I remember like a notable example

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that comes to mind is when I imported one particular avatar its butt would stick out

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right it was like almost having a hunch back but it was because the butt was just stuck

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out too much and I went to Delirious Jacks community member here and I just said like

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I think you fixed the butt sticking for someone else do you mind having a look and they said

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I don't know how to fix it but I'll work on it with you and we just played with a bunch

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of settings and then my butt was unstuck out there's also a github issue by what's that

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like bright color Diwali that has eye tracking I can't remember their name anyway they made

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a github issue which had some recommended default value changes so they were like proposing

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that Neos make changes to the default values for your IK to fix some issues that they noticed

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I point people towards those because we can't implement those by ourselves right now because

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we're not sure on the implications for all avatars but if you make those changes and

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you have good use with them then fantastic and make sure to thank them yeah properties

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linked it thank you so much it's it's Grox yeah I was right the colorful of Ali without

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with eye tracking they're all they're all named sort of like approximately okay you

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know I'm just looking at the issue now like body rot stiffness basically means like the

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rotation stiffness but it isn't clear to me like what I should edit that to like compare

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that to say like temperature right and you can turn the degrees up on your thermostat

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to be hot or cold that's really obvious what you want to do the same with maybe you know

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like a faucet you know you want to turn it like I want more water or less water but like

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with this when you change these numbers it's like I don't know 0.1 is better I care yay

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and 0.15 is Cthulhu basically so you just don't know you just gotta play with them it

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depends on your on your exact avatar so we'll move on I would love to get all of those documented

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I would love for like I love like a video of them actually I you know if someone was

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basically just like went through them all in turn and was like here is body rotate stiffness

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if you said it low you'll look like this if you said it high you look like this we recommend

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it looking like this I'd love that kind of video of course that would probably need to

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be done for like most avatar types and what I mean by that is like of course most of us

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are humanoids still but like there's different sort of ways of doing humanoid hence the sort

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of butt sticking out problem also stuff like that so it might be good to sort of have recommendations

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based on certain avatars based on that so my advice there is basically play with it

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just have fun there's so much there though if you if you're frustrated with the IK like

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unless you've played with all of those settings be a little bit less frustrated I mean still

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be frustrated because the settings already up juice but what I mean by that is I can't

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change this maybe you can please try I have no idea how half the work Bean has another

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idea thank you I got idea for some things they say for the building and drawing in desktop

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mode it would act like a puppet from a little big planet you can control the cursor directly

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with a line corresponding connecting occurs to the avatar you can choose to draw with

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the mouse or with the movement keys or to follow a layer based system unless you present

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key to set it freeform so the avatar system and the clipping issues have a tool they would

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posture editor yeah postured it's a really good thing I think we need more sort of in-built

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avatar tools so like for a bunch of like users they they set up systems by themselves I'm

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trying to think of example so gestures is a good example like Neos could have an in-built

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gesture editor the sort of like head pat logics with activities blend shapes we could have

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that built-in poses animations and gates we could have like a really smooth UI for that

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we could also have presets for the gate system you know when you set up your avatar there's

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like a question I don't know about the UI but like maybe there's like a sort of questionnaire

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and it's like do you want your avatar to move heavy plodding like they're a large you know

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just thinking of like a large boss from Dark Souls you want to move like a large box from

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Dark Souls or do you want them to move like a ballerina right and go between those two

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options and see how they move we could even do an animation of your avatar similar to

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how the full body tracker does where it's in front of you and just walking on a treadmill

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and say like ah do you want to tweak it walk it on a treadmill walk on a treadmill I actually

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have a world where you hit a button it duplicates your avatar and walks you on a treadmill I

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just haven't like released that that was called my gate editor world I just haven't finished

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it um uh then going for the the drawing have you tried the free camera mode it sounds similar

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like I haven't played a little bit planet I did want to play a little bit planet but

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like I couldn't afford a ps3 so I skipped ps3 I could afford a ps4 sat next to me I

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haven't used it in like three years but it sat next to me um it sounds a little bit like

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the free camera mode the layering system for drawing is is interesting there are tools

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that can kind of help you with that but a lot of those tools don't work too well in

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desktop I'll certainly take a look at that feedback um scrolling down past the uh gligrocks

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issue uh I'd like to pose a sort of benchmark when they're in those changes new performance

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wise I don't think we need like performance testing with those VR um ik changes none of

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those should have performance uh benefits or improvements or anything like that um basically

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all those values that you're editing are already being calculated every step and every movement

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um so changing them doesn't really change how fast the calculation takes it just changes

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what the the animation looks like um I know if it wants to do a bunch of um updates to

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the ik system anyway that is where the performance lies um that's also a lot of cases that happens

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with a lot of other things as well people worry too much about stuff which we can fix

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for them they're like this node is is kind of bad like well we can fix it like maybe

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don't avoid it we can fix it please open an issue let us know that there's a problem with

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that node uh unnamed cyborg cat says um can one import dot blend files into neos yes um

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uh usually what will happen there is uh when you do that neos will try to find your blender

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installation so make sure you have blender installed if you can't find your blender installation

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run a command line program with a version of blender to export that as an fpx file but

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you can do it um you might have mixed results doing it I know some people like doing it

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because it works for them I don't know some people don't like it because it doesn't work

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for them just just try it out uh Tony says is there a way to disable ik when in full

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body not sure um you do still need some of it and the reason why you still need some

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of it is because with ik um we can say hey your foot is here because we have your foot

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tracker but that doesn't mean we know where your knee is so we need to inverse kinematics

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where your knee is or where your hip joint is and yeah you might have trackers for all

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those places but like there's still calculations that need to be done moving forwards elm elm

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now says no says uh is it possible to kick something if you're tracking over foot yes

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uh you could set that up um there are like there are colliders on your feet but they're

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not like defaultly set up to interact like that you would need to um add some custom

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stuff to that um you would probably need to put an active collider on your foot I'm gonna

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say this now I'm gonna say this forever because people keep mistaking this active colliders

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are fine provided you follow like a couple of uh assurances you'll be absolutely fine

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don't worry about them too much um but yeah it's possible to set up but not like easy

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to explain how to set up uh particularly when we don't have physics like once we have physics

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I believe we'll see much more of that stuff because we'll have people playing football

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and stuff like that uh moving onwards ah yes so froppy says uh f6 is free cam um neota

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shop is uh also an option I'm sure if you know about that bean um so go to essential

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tools polylogics tools and then go through the options there one's called poly uh called

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for uh neota shop and there's a picture from froppy probably so helpful everyone everyone

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like everyone given a round of what's the froppy gunn griffin asks what's the best way

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to invert a boolean using components I'm not sure I wouldn't use components oh you can

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use a boolean value driver um boolean value driver bool and that way you can do it sometimes

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I do do that but I don't usually try to do it because it's a bit like finicky um so boolean

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value driver bool has the state variable and then a true value and a false value so for

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the true value you do off for the false value you do on and then you effectively invert

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it froppy again who needs a another round of applause uh and then we have another question

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from renamed from an fd hater to unnamed cyborg cat does need to have a traditional programming

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which just logics just logics right now we might have a text-based language at some point

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um you can look at our plugin system if you wish to write actual code but right now it's

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just logics I didn't mention this clearly before but I do need to leave directly at

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half past so uh make sure you keep your eye on the time we've got two more minutes for

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questions I want to say like quinn it's like what's a quinnit uh bean says I should probably

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do a stream one day showing how a little bit planet does level building I could emulate

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it uh yeah if you send me a video like drop it into my dms I'll take a look and then maybe

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we can uh figure out a solution for you the reason for the tight schedule I'm apartment

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hunting right now and I need to get back to it otherwise I'll be homeless I mean I won't

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be like I can afford home apartments and everything like that it's just my lease is running out

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and I don't have a new lease that's all folks if you have questions please feel free to

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drop them in my dms and I'll get back to you as soon as I can see you again next week and

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I'll post this on sound later bye-bye