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Okay, welcome to Prime Time, it is 4pm, so we're going to go ahead and get started.

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Please drop your questions in the Office Hours text channel if you have questions, and I'll

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get to them as soon as I can.

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There are no questions waiting, so whilst we're waiting for that, I do want to promote

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the newly created-from-myself myths page.

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We're a little bit agitated by just myths in the community.

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It's kind of natural right now due to the situations at play, but hey, that's a Tico

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link.

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It's a natural link, I copied it from my Twitter, that's why it's a Tico link, give me a second,

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there we go.

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My myths page.

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Those of you who drop in, if you have any questions, drop them into the Office Hours

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text channel, it's two slots above this one in the channel list, I'll just hang out and

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we'll wait for any questions that make, if at all.

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Please ask questions.

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In case we have a question from Drace, which is why are you so amazing, the answer to that

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one is that is an opinion, which you are welcome to have, there is no way to justify an opinion.

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It's your opinion.

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For those new folks dropping in, drop questions in Office Hours and we'll get to them as soon

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as we can, otherwise just sit back, relax, and listen to the uncomfortable silence that

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exists in this room when there are no questions.

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For those dropping in, drop questions in Office Hours, the text channel, it's two slots above

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this one that you clicked, and we'll get to them as soon as we can, there are still no

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So the uncomfortable silence will be increased to level 11.

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We have a good question from SnakeFinnis who asks what is this?

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So this is the Office Hours or AMA for Primetime, which is myself.

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I'm in charge of sort of many things, but most importantly documentation and tutorials

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here at Neos, so if you have questions on those lines, let me know.

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If you have questions just for the Neos team generally, ask them, I'll be able to sort

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of either answer them or redirect you to the appropriate place.

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Whatever you want to ask, you can go ahead and ask, just drop it in the Office Hours

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channel.

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That's a good question, says are there any guidelines for formatting Neos Wiki pages?

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The answer is yes.

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On the sidebar of the Neos Wiki, there is a button called contributing to the Wiki,

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which leads to a page which talks about the formatting and guidance for how to contribute

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to the Wiki.

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Good.

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We have some questions.

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So from Trace, we say how are you doing yourself on this fine day?

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I'm good.

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I saw a bird.

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I thought it was yesterday, but I guess I'm going to talk about it.

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Yeah, I've got a balcony here in my apartment, and a bird landed on the chair outside here

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and looked at me grumpily and then ruffled his feathers and flew away.

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That was cool.

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So where does the money from Patreon go to?

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So the money from Patreon goes into an account, and then that account is used to pay for various

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things.

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Right now that would be the cloud bill that we have, so we have cloud services.

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Those do require money, and any other sort of technical stuff like that.

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So I presume we'd have to renew our domain periodically.

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So Neos.com is searching needs renewing.

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That will get paid for.

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Other than that, I don't actually know.

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I'd love for us to get to pie chart.

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Pie chart would be great.

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It would be like I'm making up these percentages.

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These are not the correct percentages.

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I'm just making them up for conversation.

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Let's say 10% goes to service costs.

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2% goes to, I don't know, the administrative costs, like whatever domain renewal, I don't

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Just like stuff like that.

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It would be like two thirds goes to salaries or whatever, and it would be like 1% goes

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to cheese.

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You know, like a pie chart that shows exactly where the money was going would be like amazing.

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You'd be able to apply that pie chart to your individual contribution.

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Let's say, for example, you contributed $100 a month, then you'd be able to do that quite

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You'd be able to be like, ah, 1%, that's $1, goes towards prime's cheese collection.

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You'd be able to be like, yep, $1 of my money goes to prime's cheese collection, and you'd

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be beautiful.

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So hopefully maybe that in the future.

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We'd probably sort of extrapolate those out over a year as well, which sometimes isn't

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Sometimes you'll see pie charts which are just like the month.

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That means what you get is like spikes and randomness.

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like a pie chart that's a lot more stable.

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So Daffy has a question.

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to contribute to it, has anybody thought of developing a workflow tutorials to help generate

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assets or encourage user-created content inside of Neos, i.e., a blend of the substance to

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an important game?

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Not that I'm aware of.

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I know that we've got a couple of sort of pin resources around for things like what

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substance painter workflow to use, what materials, what textures to use.

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rewrote because it was driving me mad.

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We constantly get queries about that.

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They're like, my hip bone is called orangutan, and Neos isn't recognizing it as an avatar.

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Like, it should be fixed.

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I'm like, no, it shouldn't.

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Don't name your hip bone orangutan.

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Name it hip, or hips, or hips, lowercase, or hip, lowercase, fine, it'll pick it up.

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If it's a hip bone, it should be named hips.

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But yeah, certainly like modeling and stuff like that.

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what's going on there.

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Maybe it's an unreal thing, who knows?

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As always, just make tutorials.

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Make them, share them, people will watch them.

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If I was confident in my 3D modeling ability enough to make a functional avatar, we're

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talking just like a blob person, you know, like, tubes for legs, et cetera, I would do

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I'd be like, all right, day one, wake one, open blender, make the tube man, export to

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FBX, import, put the head where the head is, the hand where the hand is, look, I'm using

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them, just to sort of show it isn't hard.

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The hard part should just be in the creativity.

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It shouldn't be in the technicalities, it should always be the same.

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Yeah, the skin modifier, yep, that would be, you know, perfect.

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There's a variation there, like the one on the bottom right, sort of reminiscent of sort

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of Incredibles or Minions styling.

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You make like an armature, and then you do the skin modifier on it.

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You do the armature like just lines.

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When I say armature, I don't mean blending armature, I mean like how you do an armature

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if you're sculpting IRL, you take wire, sometimes metal coat hangers, you bend it into the shape

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of the body, then you throw clay on it, and that's exactly what the skin modifier does.

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You make the bent coat hanger, and then you throw the skin modifier on it, and you get

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Duff asks, have you seen other user workflows utilizing resources outside of blended substance?

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If so, what would alternative programs be?

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People do still use the other 3D modelers, Maya, and then like other more obscure ones.

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Maya and Blender are usually the two that people use these days.

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I've also seen a lot of people that use ZBrush for sculpting.

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That's totally fine, too.

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ZBrush, ZBrush, American, UK pronunciations.

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Fusion comes up as well.

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I forgot, like when it comes to hard service modeling, some people use like fusion stuff

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like that, SketchUp, that one for like architectural modeling.

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There's one particular user who was using the hammer editor to make their map for everyone

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to see.

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That was fun as well.

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use for any game, really.

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I wouldn't like discourage or discount, is probably a better wording there, the use of

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anything like Photoshop, GIMP, Paint.net, anything like that.

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You just sometimes like, a good example here being like you download an avatar base and

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it has brown eyes and you want blue eyes, Photoshop or whatever can fix that for you.

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There's no need to open Blender.

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There's no need to open Substance Painter.

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There's no real need to even understand how the avatar works, right?

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You just open up the texture file and you're like, there are the eyes, I'll make them blue.

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I'm sort of interested, but not really because the Windows UI is unfortunately, it wasn't

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good the last time I looked at it.

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It might be good now.

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There's this program called Dust, Dust 3D, which is a completely different way of modeling

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It's like hard to explain, but you have to get a side and front photo of the same object

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and then you can kind of just like model it.

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Oh, that's going to be the recording there, I just started a YouTube video.

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If you hear piano music on the recording of this, just ignore it.

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But yeah, if you look at this video here, they model a dog and it isn't in any way that

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They'd never edit vertices at all.

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It might look like they do, but they never do.

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For maps and worlds like that, I have a lessons to World Machine.

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I haven't used it.

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World Machine usually makes worlds which are too big for Nius.

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There is another one that generates terrain.

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Just do that easily with Blender and Photoshop as well.

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You just make terrain.

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It's easy.

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It's just like a grayscale height map.

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Maps and worlds, just sometimes like paper will actually help there.

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Just throw stuff around.

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I did see a video yesterday of the PS5 game or PlayStation game called Dreams, where you

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It's very much sort of like more simplified than Nius, of course, but very much more user-friendly

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where you can just sort of throw around stuff and people are like making art there or making

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scenes there that allow them to just explore what they're doing.

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I know a lot of people use that for sort of sharing ideas and then they'll go ahead and

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build it once they know what the ideas look like.

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Moving on to other questions there.

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Let's ask what happens to the games' office hours.

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I don't know.

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I've asked them a few times.

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I moved their office hours to like temporarily suspended along with Chroma's.

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I would presume you would have to ask them if you want more information about that.

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Russia asks, is there anything you've been wanting to cover in a tutorial but haven't

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got around to or would like to see more tutorials on?

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I have a huge list I just haven't got around to, so I'll just skip that one with everything

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jazz hands.

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I would like to see more tutorials on basically anything.

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Sometimes people are like, oh, I won't make tutorials because Prime makes them.

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You go ahead and make them.

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Go ahead and make them.

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Basement Nerds Logix tutorial isn't like my style.

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It's made completely differently.

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I myself wouldn't find it effective to learn Logix, but some people do and they find it

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helpful and that's great.

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That really just highlights that everyone learns differently and has a different approach

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to both learning and teaching.

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So go for it.

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Like make tutorials.

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If there were like, I don't know, 50 tutorials for learning Logix out there, then there is

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a greater chance that one would fit a particular user.

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Additionally, there is this abbreviation called FAST or FASTER if you want to be more modern

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in the sort of lingo for it, which is about learning things.

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There's a blog article about it, learning and I think FASTER, and it just has an abbreviation

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and I think the T is like teach.

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Yeah, the T is teach.

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So there's a way of like, there's also like a pyramid of learning, I never remember what

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it's called.

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Yeah, here it is.

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I don't know if this is like the exact one, but it promotes the different types of learning

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and it shows here that like lectures, audiovisual stuff is 20% retained and then doing it, which

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is the sort of lower half of that pyramid, is 30, 50%, 75% and then teaching others right

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at the bottom, 90%.

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I was talking to Fruchs a while ago and there is a study that was portrayed in I think it

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was a European country.

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He recommended a book about it, but I forgot the name of the book, where they created a

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new type of school and in this type of school there was no real structure to it.

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People were just like free to learn whatever and I didn't understand it, I was like what

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do you mean?

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What happened was they mixed the age groups of the students, just sort of freeform really,

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and they taught each other mostly.

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and there might be an older student there reading a more complex book and it'll be a

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cool story and so a younger student would go over there and sit down and be like sounds

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cool read me the story and then they would read the story to them and then maybe they

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might go I want to know what happens next can you teach me how to read a book at this

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level and then boom you've got an older student learning to read by teaching a younger student

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how to read who's learning how to read and then that just happened everywhere you know

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maybe the kid likes dinosaurs so he goes over to like a freeform library and goes cool pulls

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this dinosaur book over to an older student all sorts of stuff like that that's probably

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the name ng says it's a Sudbury school probably I need to read the book to understand more

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testing is bad which generally I agree on but like I'm I'm biased because I've been

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through education so like whatever it's a good thought experiment the point there being

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with people whilst you are teaching and also by just doing and making tutorials is a fantastic

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example of that so try that just googled to ng use Sudbury school and yes there is a wiki

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learning and teaching people also comes up with like new new scenarios new things that

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of Sydney and now whatever university they're working with there's just like crazy stuff

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that comes up that just doesn't make any sense but you're like cool like it's time we came

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to me and he's like hey I need to calculate the angular velocity of your eyeball just

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like okay okay sure we can do that we can calculate the angular velocity of an eyeball

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and so we used the eye tracking data to figure that out it's useful I can't remember exactly

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how that's one of the problems you're like okay I'll do this crazy thing but like why

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are we doing it and you kind of forget sometimes it is something to do with the stuff there

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which can diagnose vestibular issues vestibular issues is the sort of organ and system that's

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the eye movement in relation to a head movement after you rapidly jerk their head towards

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would never go through like ethics so doing that in in game is what we were trying by

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measuring the velocity of the eyeball moving on to the next question here lazy hat guys

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is any atas on the next major update to nears no I don't have any atas we don't usually

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provide them I would love to provide them in the future we just can't provide them right

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now check the roadmap check our discord announcements channel and check our steam update feed I

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guess and it'll come eventually there is one sub preschool in the entirety of the UK okay

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well I had zero chance of going to that then where is it oh it's in Margate I know Margate

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good question from crusher here so crusher says how would you go about starting large

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projects nears or elsewhere I am traditionally now I don't really want to be but hey careers

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are fun I am actually a product manager right now and so I am very educated in this area

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but there are parallels where you can sort of scheme off the top is what I'm saying if

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you go deep into project management you're wasting your time planning and communication

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is so important I would love if we just had in the education science channel we just had

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a sort of recording from a couple of people from the MC 2022 where they talked about sort

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of how they built things I would love to get that from a particular group I'd like to see

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it from the credit canyon group and in particular from their last year's entry the same group

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did the abandonware last year and I know abandonware that we had just forgotten their name for

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no reason com dog com dog was just like running around managing the project and making sure

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everyone did stuff and that's because they knew what they wanted to do and they did it

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I've seen a lot of people that just like you know you go into nears and you're like cool

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I can throw this around I can throw it everywhere I can do whatever I want but then they never

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finish it because they don't really have a plan they don't know what they're doing I

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also get sort of comments about sort of oh I don't use dynamic variables I don't use

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dynamic impulses because I can never remember what I've called them and the answer there

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is like well plan and document your project then if you are making a shooter in nears

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and you're using dynamic variables for that shooter write a text document in notepad which

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lists the dynamic variable player health or player ammo or whatever you want to use save

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it in there's a dot text bring it into the world save it to the world till it's complete

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and then everyone in that world can just float over to that text document and be like oh

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yeah it's player health I can use that great but if you don't do that then it's gonna lead

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to problems particularly if you have multiple people working on the project you need to

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know what you need to do I don't want you to stop and do the whole sort of like let's

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plan for three months and then not do anything but just like stopping and realizing that

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you need to converse or talk about things will get you a long way there I highly do

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not recommend scrum but like there's about 15,000 methodologies scrum I've never seen

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done correctly though I am a certified scrum master but I don't put that on my resume anywhere

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it's just a word I'd like to show you an amazing document from the Department of Defense this

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is the United States Department of Defense and it's called spotting agile bullshit or

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something along those lines it's a really scary link because it's like literally the

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Department of Defense but I promise you it's fine it's just a PDF detecting agile BS it's

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great and they talk about how like it's a buzzword they talk about everything and then

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they go all the way down to the bottom and there's like a great graphic on page five

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page five is like more suited to larger more long-term projects rather than you know say

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for example a month-long project for the MMC or you know a smaller NEOS project the graphical

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version on page five would be great for looking and modeling for example NEOS itself or modeling

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any other VR platform itself it's like one of the things on the graphical things is our

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teams delivering working software to real users every iteration and gathering feedback

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yes then it's actually agile otherwise no it's it's not and we were doing that I mean

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I'm just sort of skip over what's going on right now in the announcements channel etc

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we were doing that right we were like updates came in we might not necessarily be able to

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work on exactly what you guys wanted us to work on but like it was someone would be like

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I'm having trouble doing this and freaks ago here's a new logics note and you get it so

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cool so just think of that and think of stuff like that back at university we had to do

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a final project which is worth like I don't know like 60% of my degree and I nailed it

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I was amazing at it and the project methodology I used for there was fake it till you make

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it but I had to do like 14 pages of a like a paper etc on evaluating the different methodologies

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and scrum like hit the bottom of the list for some reason so moving on because we're

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running long time mr. Angie asked if we had any exciting things so this is this is for

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use in jaw reconstructive surgery where if we are reconstructing someone's jaw we can

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actually use the leg bone I don't know why it's decided that we you know there's there's

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many bones between the leg and the jaw but apparently the leg bone is the more suit most

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suitable bone and what the doctors want to say is what like section of bone can they

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cut and then what would that do to the jaw so there's a little rig where we're slicing

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the leg bone twice we're using a larger model for slicing it and that would then be placed

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near the jaw but then we're also reflecting that slicing on the actual leg bone so they

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can check that they haven't taken too much leg bone because the user ideally still needs

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to be able to although usually they are in crutches or have reduced mobility but they

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have a jaw again that's kind of more important sometimes so let's hop through the rest of

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the questions trace asks when creating a world near say a project that is going to be a game

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world that is publicly playable how far can you go into the terms of using ripped assets

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or sound from other games or movies before it dips into the toes of legal valley please

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read our terms of use and our guidelines before you do that there is the concept of fair use

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facebook fair use is often misunderstood for an appropriate terminology or look at that

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you would need to contact a lawyer i would advise just not using ripped assets at all

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because then you don't need to contact a lawyer and lawyers are expensive if you would like

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to use ripped assets you are stealing stuff unless you can justify it under free use fair

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use so check our guidelines check the terms of service read up on fair use contact a lawyer

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if they say you can use it you can use it and if they say you can't you can't or just

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avoid all that complexity and just don't use ripped assets it's very simple so ng is i'm

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asking um what methods i've seen that work uh work with a similar philosophy um to be

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honest i've never seen any development methodology it's scrum fdd which is feature-driven development

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traditional agile traditional waterfall all the others that have various names i've forgotten

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now i've never seen any of them work and the reason is that like you need to build your

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own and you need to build your own from the community of people i say community because

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like when you'll get a large enough team it's less a team it's more like a community of

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people and seeing what they want to do a good example there is things like story points

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where um i have frequent arguments at work about if story points are days and the answer

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is no story points are not days story points are a measure of difficulty and then you can

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track story points based on how many you can complete during iteration i need you to find

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some terms here we're running over but i'm going to do it because it's a good interesting

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conversation um if you are planning the next two weeks of a a team uh you know software

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development team you would call that an iteration sometimes a sprint doesn't really matter i

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never call them sprints because sprints implies moving fast and that's bad um well moving

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fast is good but like moving fast sprinting means like over exertion that's why i don't

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use it and so what you're trying to do is plan how much work can we do over the next

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iteration how much work can we do over the next two weeks and it used to be historically

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that that would be defined way ahead of time in project planning which occurred before

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anyone picked up their pencils and started making stuff but now it's planned sort of

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the next iteration but then you kind of get fuzzy on that it's like well how big are they

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how much are they going to take and so you try and estimate how long they're going to

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take and then there are schools of thought about estimating in days you're like oh well

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this would take five days and this would take five days and you're like boom that's an entire

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iteration of work two weeks was 14 days four days for sort of wiggle room cool you've managed

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to schedule two features but days are not useful um if you're using the story points

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a story in agile development is kind of like a unit of work which benefits the user it's

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hard to explain um so instead story points should be the difficulty because the difficulty

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means that you have more of a range to play with with a two-week iteration you have 14

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days whereas with story points you can go anywhere from 0 to 99 and then you know what's

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going on and you can track it and figure out how much your team can do so as an example

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here you might say hey this really big feature that is 50 story points and hey this other

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feature that is five story points historically how many story points have we got through

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in this particular iteration over the course of the last year historically we've managed

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to do 40 story points well great you can't do that 50 story point activity but you can

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do that five one and it lets you plan a little bit better but because it's a community of

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people working i'm like oh you've given story points to my items as days again haven't you

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colleague and they're like yes okay sad face and then we have to work around that and then

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like the hierarchy of course we want to do work tracking and doing well tracking at work

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especially this company of my scale is just crazy people are like oh yeah but i need to

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put this under this and that under that and this under that and just no okay two more

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questions uh hack 13 asks i used nested sessions this past weekend however i struggle to see

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the benefits of the use of the page for them also seems to not exist you provide context

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in the use case yes hotel rooms um so they're used a lot and they're actually created for

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the vblfc and the reason behind that is let's say you have a lobby of a hotel or the lobby

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of a convention that's where people sign up they get their badge and then they disappear

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um the disappearing act we wanted that to be other worlds so if you went to the pool

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you'd go to the pool world i remember the vblfc pool world well or if you want to disappear

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the hotel rooms you go to the hotel rooms world but what that does it starts to show

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a unrealistic expectation of the number of people who are at the convention because they're

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all in different worlds and they're all spread out if you use the nested session feature

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you can group all those sessions together into like a whole hotel and so it doesn't

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matter what part of the hotel they're in they're counted together and anyone new who wants

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to join can go either straight to the session that people are in via the friends list or

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to the entrance of the hotel where they can then find signposts to other sessions that

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have been there there's a bit of a like problem in the naming of that feature because um nested

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sessions also comes up in code uh when it comes up to the if you remember the like the

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like uh the ball menu that's on your right hand where you can sort of see which world

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and then when you close out worlds you'll close out worlds in a certain order that's

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also called nesting and so i want to kind of like drop the terminology there between

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the two features um try and make those a bit clearer and then document them um honestly

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if you're not doing a sort of convention or a hotel style event or like a a big collection

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of people style event you don't need to use it and even sometimes when you are doing a

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big event you don't need to use it that's a good example there for the mmc award party

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the award ceremony we we didn't have nested sessions going there because it was different

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watch parties it was oh here's the critic canyon watch party here's the i remember because

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it was a while ago but you know here's the other social world that's doing a watch party

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here's the other social world that's doing a watch party you didn't need that to be nested

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because it was distinct activities but um conventions i believe um for uh fernal i keep

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saying funeral equinox i had that whole problem throughout the event uh psycho asked about

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the ball menu if it's legacy it is legacy but the systems that play uh weren't and are

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if you close out worlds you'll still end up closing out them in a like structured way

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balls are legacy you can quote me on that one damn it the balls are legacy so dre says

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now i'm curious what's more expensive um to hire a musical sound designer or pay a lawyer

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um honestly musical sound designer you don't need an industry like giant you don't need

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like a triple a musical sound designer you need someone from the community um depending

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on the project that might even go for free there is the jobs and freelancer section and

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there is a bunch of community people out there that would love to be part of your project

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uh you can also use um massively licensed sound i know i use kevin mcclood's uh collection

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a lot in moc some corrections from cole's and rusio that says that the uh new user events

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only were the ones that used them uh for the next decisions great i was aware they were

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being used but not exactly how they were being used and then uh rusio says that the the

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funeral event seat the fronal event um used them for the new player nights they worked

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quite well uh and then hack posted a uh picture uh which shows how they were using them uh

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yes that is a suitable setup for how you would use them with that i believe we are out of

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time we were like we're way out of time i i like remembering is that especially when

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and so it would periodically just sort of teleport into the hotel room sweep people

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into it because it sort of had like an auto anchor system on it and then glitch out of

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the map and fall down again and so if you weren't careful you would just like be attacked

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by a car periodically as it like grabbed you forcibly put you in its seats and then teleported

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out of existence it was basically an scp waiting to happen i will see you guys later um we

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are out of time go ahead and uh call it here if you have questions please dm me or drop

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them here i might respond in text form and i'll speak to you later bye