Hello folks. I'm Canadian.
Get and I'm going to be here fielding
moderation office hours for the next 30 minutes.
Uh You'll be, I'll be here to answer any questions you have on the moderation team,
the guidelines more broadly, the mentor program or of course,
an old question you'd like to ask about, resonate.
Uh Those are just the topics I know the best
or the most the most about before we get started.
Can I get someone to jump into the uh moderation office hours thread which
you can find up in the office hours questions for with today's date?
Nie
started it for us this week.
Just can someone confirm that I'm coming through loud and clear? You can
hear my voice.
Good to see him getting a couple of uh affirmatives in there.
It's always a bit awkward.
If I've been talking into the void for the first five minutes of a conversation, it's
not great, not ideal for the uh the follow up recording.
Thank you very much, Nookie for collecting a bunch of questions for a,
a broader conversation that appears to have happened throughout the week.
I'm going to,
I think filter through these questions whenever things are otherwise quiet.
But if you have questions of your own, that's what I'm here for.
Feel free to drop them in that thread and mark them with a little cue.
I will get to those questions in the order they are asked.
Uh
I'll take this moment to give the little PS A if you are interested
uh to field questions to moderation outside of
a thread like this or moderation office is another
avenue you are welcome to make use of is
sending a question in through the ticket system.
We have help topics in there for all sorts of things, things, reporting other users,
things for reporting stolen assets, things for providing staff complaints.
But one of the help topics is just an inquiry.
You're curious about a thing and you'd like to get a,
a written answer which can sometimes be convenient.
Uh If you're worried about something being uh
contentious inside of a group of friends.
Of course, I always do encourage people to come here if you'd like to get a
I suppose, face to face is not the accurate way to describe this,
but uh voice to voice, text to voice.
Still an immediate response
that said it looks like it's pretty quiet so far.
I'm not getting many questions while I'm in there.
So I'm gonna start uh chewing through this thread
looking at the first.
It's uh why does the auto moderation stop messages with phrases
like and here's an example phrase, uh, with asshole censored out,
it appears it's a profanity blocker.
Is this
a misfigure?
I don't believe that's a, or
that might be an issue at the moment.
I'd like you to flag all potential concerns coming down the line.
As we try to establish standards for the auto blocker.
It might have standards that deviate slightly from us.
We've not been particularly aggressive concerning,
uh, profanity previously.
Uh, At least what I might classify as low level profanity.
Uh That is something that we're still going to have to tweak in its settings.
So just continue to tag uh moderation as a role whenever we've got oddities
in that regard and we will hash it out inside of our admin channel
uh to establish that standard going forward.
I visited by a cat one second.
He's small and tiny and adorable but was occupying all
of the space that let me read my questions.
Uh The immediate follow up here being, is it not intentional?
It blocks low level profanity.
And I would say no to admittedly where one draws
the line on low level profanity is the standard.
I was intentionally being somewhat nebulous around my immediate
read of the example you provided is no,
that should not have been blocked.
Uh If we find we're having problems with that,
that standard might be tweaked inside of the discord,
but I anticipate that not being an issue going forward.
So I have only briefly put an eyeball on the thread that
NIA provides a convenient link to words.
So I'm just going to chew through them on a question
by question basis rather than trying to delve through the,
the broader discussion itself.
Of course, if folks would like
or if they are part of that discussion and
they would like further clarification on other points.
I'm always happy to field the questions here. Feel free to drop them again.
At that same thread, we will just chew through them as they come in.
So first and foremost of the questions,
does moderation go after people who are just generally rude in public sessions.
So just based, I don't think it's the point of the question,
but I always like to take a moment to
elaborate on moderation. Typically doesn't go after people. We we are reactive.
People send in
uh complaints or concerns to us. We investigate the situation.
See if there is guideline breaking behavior and then act,
we're not in your sessions.
We don't act as beat cops. I should clarify.
When I say we're not in your session,
you may occasionally see a skeleton me floating about in your session.
So we might physically be there. But we're not there as much
narrators scouring the sessions
uh running a beat cop like path through the world's trying to find problems.
No, those are just people that are, are enjoying the same resonate you are as users,
the moderation role itself is responding to tickets that
come in uh engaging with that investigating it based
on the evidence and then issuing account restrictions or
warnings as appropriate or nothing as occasionally happens.
If the investigation does not yield uh actionable content,
when it comes to people being rude.
If you submitted a ticket concerning that sort of behavior, we're likely to begin
uh with perhaps a warning to a user if
it's perhaps vague on exactly how rude they were.
This is a vague example.
So at the most I could give you is we will likely send out a reminder
or warning about conduct to the person if we thought it was getting to that point
and encourage self moderation tools uh to the user who submitted
the ticket usually uh that allows one to draw a very defining
line.
That would typically be one of the first
recommendations we give you use your blocking systems,
use uh session
kicks or bands as appropriate if all else fails, make it very clear to the other user.
Hello, I would like you to stop talking to me, stop bugging me,
stop interacting with me.
And then after you've made that clear if they cross that line, well,
we're pretty black and white in harassment in moderation is going to step
in at that point with either warnings or of course follow up actions.
I've seen a whole lot of typing. So let me just scroll down to the bottom
so to clarify if I call someone an asshole, that's not. Ok.
But describing general behavior with the term is ok. Do I have it? Right? Uh
I think one could be passive aggressive in a fashion
that's going to get the mods occasionally telling you,
hey,
maybe this conversation ought to stop if the mods are stepping in at that point,
gently encouraging the conversation to take a new direction
or simply cease the interactions inside of discord.
Uh My recommendations follow their advice. Of course,
I don't think that term alone is likely to elicit
uh an auto mod response though that standard may tweak in the future.
Uh But when it comes to describing people or their behavior,
I could see a number of scenarios where even
making it somewhat more passive nonetheless
has a mod step in. So I'm not going to give
across the board. A nie's
follow up example of just posting the word absent all of the context. OK.
That's fine.
I mean,
spam might eventually be an issue if one's doing
that inside of uh threads that are inappropriate,
but like just the word devote of any potential
uh for being an insult or directly to another user. Not generally,
I anticipate won't be part of the the problem coming down the line,
going to mark a couple of these. As checked,
we do have a couple of other questions.
I'm gonna field those, then we'll go back to the list and again,
just bounce back and forth based on the quietness of the, the responses coming in
X I asks. Recently I noticed, uh, I had used, I noticed I used, I had blocked recently
a user, I blocked recently made a new account, not user name change.
Could this be considered block evasion?
I mean, there's certainly the possibility, depending on their actions,
the actual, I've made a new account and no other context wouldn't be sufficient.
People could have a bunch of different reasons for making another account.
Maybe they ran out of storage, maybe they wanted a new user name,
maybe they just forgot their password and the password for their email
associated with the old account and ended up with a new one.
The mere creation
of account would be insufficient, I think for us to take action.
But yeah, I could imagine any number of follow up actions after making a new account
that might be worth investigation.
If you've seen other actions tied to that, they're trying to get back into worlds,
they're trying to, uh,
uh,
perhaps deceive people about who they are when they come
back in or they've just made it very clear that
they made the new account came back and told you
that the block didn't work because they did that.
If you give us a video of those sorts of actions, it's,
it's pretty black and white now.
Uh, block evasion. Yes.
But that sort of additional action would need to
exist beyond the mere creation of an account.
Uh,
curve asks just a confirmation related to kicking someone
from a session using the kick button is OK,
but blasting them with a kick gun is not correct and that is correct.
We don't endorse uh homemade mod tools that accomplish the same or are intended to,
to accomplish the same how you use the built in ones don't use any kind of kick guns,
don't use any other sort of tool made by the community.
There's always the potential for those to break.
There's always the potential for those to be disoriented or have effects in them
that we don't want. So we're never going to endorse them as a moderation team.
The use of them could certainly if used
incorrectly uh lead to harassment tickets against yourself.
Please make use of the actual session,
moderation tools available and blocking tools that are available.
Uh Nki uh gave a a variety of potential context.
Additional questions for the question on whether making a new account would count
as a band of agent.
How long between blocking and new account making literally no time again,
just making a new account is insufficient for us to act on this.
So it could happen immediately, it could happen a week later,
it could happen a year later.
That will not, that would not be sufficient for it.
Just
ask
how severe was the behavior you blocked for again,
unrelated unless there's something else of the user coming
back in to get around to that evasion.
And did they try to recontact you?
That's a big red flag if they have made a new
account in any of those contexts and then try to,
of course, reso
with the people that had banned or blocked them.
Uh That's something that you should immediately talk to moderation about
that does appear to be circumnavigating
an attempt to cut communication. That is certainly something we want to hear about
car.
Sorry and
asks a question. I blocked and removed someone who used to be on my friends list.
However,
I don't think they removed me from their contact list as
they still show up under contact sessions of the world tab.
How do I stop them from showing up preferably without contacting them?
That's something I think you're going to have to take to get up.
I'm not certain if that behavior is strictly
unintended or included because if it was removed,
there would be issues in other locations, but it does sound like something
that for my base level intuition ought not be happening.
I'm not aware
based on that how one might be able to prevent them from showing up again.
I would move it over to github.
Start a discussion there. See, uh with a conversation with the coders.
If there are other things floating behind the scenes that might be forcing that to
happen or if it's just a bug that they might be able to fix.
Thank you. As always for bringing these sorts of issues to our attention.
Zenon
asks uh are bug reports sorted and prioritized to be fixed.
So I'm a moderator which means I know uh roughly nothing
about the development side in terms of bug fixes and coding.
But I can talk in very broad terms
when it comes to uh fixes of bugs, specifically, not new features.
One has to assume that it is relating both to the
time invested in that fix and the impact of that fix
though I'm not going to be able to give you any kind of concrete metric in this regard.
The most I can
point to in terms of a better place to ask this
question would also be by going over to probable primes hours.
He is one of our coders and happily does, uh, rattle through any number of fixes.
You'll see him kicking around DEV
log uh every single month, just, just smashing bugs and working on other things.
And he might be able to speak more in depth about the uh
bug prioritization process side of the coding sync
and
Conus rain, how to follow up. I assume this would be filed as a bug.
And likely, I think that's, that's the correct way to lead in.
It certainly seems like inappropriate behavior.
You might get a response with devs clarifying why it's that way if it's not a bug.
Uh but I would, I would lead in with bug. It seems like it.
Yes. Uh, follow up to the kick gun question. What about making users go flying?
I have seen guns traps even knows poopers
do this and sometimes it's effectively hidden,
uh,
as moderation tools.
No, I would not endorse any of those as a fun thing one could use inside of resonate.
I always recommend that proper VR etiquette dictates.
You should let people know what you're going to do to them before you do it to them.
That was part of a broader PS A.
We ran for a number of months,
a number of months there where we would
like to highlight while the broad guidelines suggest
uh persistent behavior
is harassment ie if a thing happens and then the person tells
you stop doing that thing and you persist in doing that thing.
We've stepped into harassment outside of the guidelines.
We have this idea of etiquette inside of VR that moderation likes to,
to stump on about every now and then.
And in terms of etiquette,
you just don't know how someone's going to respond to almost anything you do
to them inside of VR there's some things that us who have been in,
we are for an extended period of time.
Uh Don't feel any sort of disorientation or nausea over changing colors,
rapid movement, dis
uh transportation or teleportation, those things we're just used to.
And so it's at best a novel effect are kind of interesting to have it happen to us.
But someone who just put on the headset or simply doesn't have the
same tolerance as you could be deeply uh discomforted by those sorts of actions
because of that.
Even before you've done it, once, it's always best to clarify with the person,
you know, where their tolerance lies at.
Let them know what's going to happen. Be polite and ask first
we have a follow up question.
Nie says I have seen a nose,
I've seen a user with a Boer that sends
you flying because they don't like being booed.
Ie someone I presume had to boop them
and then the person who touched their avatar gets sent flying
if I have that correct. I, I see NKI typing.
I imagine they will clarify in just half a second.
I assume I, I think I'm on the right track when it comes to that though.
Uh This is certainly where I can understand why
users think it's justified but it would not be the
short in
the short answer is,
is no uh throwing users through the air without letting them know what's happening.
Is something that could potentially be
uh problematic and could lead to moderation. I don't say account restrictions.
We're likely to lead with reminders and warnings.
Let people understand where the lines are drawn that scenario, but it could be
an issue in regards to the guidelines.
Uh You're not letting people know what's going to happen.
You're fleeing them through the air, you're changing their, their position.
It's disruptive to both the other user. It's disruptive to the session.
The tentative justification would be that person won't be
disrupted unless they first disrupt the other user.
But just like we made the argument with
uh
moderation tools community.
You made moderation tools previously, we,
we don't endorse these alternative methods of dealing with harassment.
We, we only endorse the blocking system, the session
uh moderation tools reaching out to us to get additional things,
making tools or self defense mechanisms could certainly still leave you liable
to some sort of harassment counterclaim if they are disorienting enough.
Duy says,
so I should tell this user that I said me Canadian get it's not good etiquette.
Yeah, I'd say
a uh anti
Boer that launches people away is a bad idea.
That's not something that moderation is going to endorse.
It might not lead to account restrictions,
but it could lead to situations where a person who
did something wrong by touching their avatar without asking,
which I imagine would have to be the first step that user has done something wrong,
might then lead up to a follow up wrong of flinging that person away.
That could be in a very disorienting thing to them,
could potentially cause them to crash.
And we're in a situation where we effectively have two wrongs.
It has not made a right and moderation is not happy with anyone involved.
We're likely to lead with reminders.
Tell them, please don't do any of the things you both did.
But it's,
it's not something where we're going to be happy because of a preceding bad action.
Oh, I, I missed a clarification. Hire.
Their, their nose has an indicator that you can boop it.
And when you click, you go flying,
that would be, I'm sorry, I misinterpreted where this is,
that it certainly isn't something that I would endorse.
Otherwise
I see why you asked about traps earlier.
Uh Yeah, that's certainly the sort of thing that could lead to
uh harassment claims or
some sort of session disruption claim.
I wouldn't recommend building uh something that is going to draw
users in and then give them a very disorienting outcome.
That's the sort of thing.
Certainly,
if you haven't informed them what could happen or made sure
that they're comfortable with the experience they're going to get could be
very disorienting or nauseating for a new user to VR it's
not the sort of tool I'd recommend using on unsuspecting users.
A couple of folks are general are commenting.
Just uh people get grumpy sometimes when they get booed and
now they go around making sure they ask people first.
That's my recommendation. Do that, try to ask people before you do things.
Uh The examples I used when talking about
etiquette were being thrown through the air,
being potentially crashed,
uh potentially teleported maybe shrunk or having big colors flash,
but even shoving something like your hand into
another person's viewport could be very disorienting.
So it's the sort of thing where
I would say etiquette dictates,
you should clarify what you're doing with someone before you do it.
Cork asks, uh, I also heard someone got banned for boobing. Someone.
Can that happen?
It would have to be a rather extreme series of escalations to do that.
Uh If someone was repetitively shoving their hand in another user's
face and that user tried to get them to stop,
they could certainly submit a ticket to moderation.
And we would likely lead with a reminder to the person shoving their
hand in the other person's face telling them to stop doing that behavior.
If they decided to persist nonstop, uh, we would slowly escalate,
it would lead to a light account restriction
and if they kept doing it just disregarding that a moderate one.
And then if they kept doing it a
rather long term one, and if they kept doing it theoretically,
you could get banned forever by booing.
But you would have to be very persistently harassing a single
individual or large group of individuals to get to that point.
I,
I hope most users would take the warnings and the
account restrictions long before it got to that point.
Now, I do think I missed one. If I missed any of your questions, I always like to
uh, say please just reply to your own question and then note that it was missed.
I will try and grab it the second time
I see that Cork asks, what about the audio, crashing the game every time it switches?
That's not something I can speak to. It sounds like a bug.
Uh Unfortunately, as a a moderator, I I can't feel the bugs inside of these,
this office hours more broadly and certainly would not be the
person going after it even if it was submitted on github.
But my recommendation is always to bring it to github
include logs include as much,
much information as you can about when this is happening
so that the uh coders are capable of replicating it
and uh hopefully they'll get that fixed relatively quick.
Nie talks about a user that has a toggle
indicator for when they don't want to be touched.
And yeah, no, I certainly endorse that. That's a very good way to try and communicate
with other users.
Just provide indications if you're not interested
in continuously having a repetitive conversation,
people have made all sorts of fantastic things embedded into
name place to try and spread further information as well.
And I
always like those. It's a clever and good way to kind of showcase a
common concerns you run into.
Uh
Cork says also, has anyone addressed the anti mentors that are active in the game?
I've heard this uh that there was an individual with a
not mentor badge running around describing themselves as an anti mentor.
Uh to my previous understanding of this issue, it was a person
uh doing a bit. This was a joke. They were very clearly acting in parody.
Uh And they were instructing people to be
diabolical and evil uh If that's happening.
Yeah, you are absolutely defended.
You are allowed to pretend to be a mentor or a mod or even me,
you could pretend to be evil git
uh by having say a skull with a giant twirly
mustache and a pair of glasses with a fake nose,
that's 100% fine.
Assuming it's clear that it's a parody.
If people are trying to impersonate other users without any attempt at parody,
that's actually pretty guideline breaking.
That's a concern. We're going to show up as moderation,
but a joke is fine in that regard, parody is fine in that regard. Assuming it's clear,
Misname asks, is there a way in resonate to block certain aspects of an avatar
like the shield level in VR chat?
Uh We do have settings, new settings.
I came in for a graphical fidelity that is similar to that
in terms of reducing effects that might be particularly costly to run.
Uh but there's not an an individualized level uh for removing
aspects of an avatar other than removing the visuals entirely.
Of course, if you want that as a feature,
I always encourage you bring that over to the github,
I think we probably already have an issue talking about that sort of information.
Uh But uh you, you're certainly welcome to dig through, see if one exists,
contribute to it or of course,
start a new issue for that future request down the line.
Kirk clarifies, I should have recorded him.
He said he helped the person and told them all the wrong things because it was funny.
So if someone is just deliberately deceiving
another user to ruin their play experience,
that's the sort of thing we'd be interested in
receiving any evidence you have and a ticket.
And we might be able to follow up uh treating that as harassment of that new user.
That's separate from what I heard people describing the anti mentors as. But
uh
it's certainly something we independent of it would like to be,
would like to hear further details on if you come across it,
feel free to submit a ticket provided any information you can about that.
All right. I think we've chewed through most of those questions.
I'm going to scroll back to the top and pull another one out of the hat
in what ways would telling people you don't want
to interact with them because you find their interest,
demeanor, speech impediment, safer work, avatar or et cetera,
annoying or gross or whatever constitute a form of harassment.
I in what ways how when does telling someone
please don't communicate with me for a reason?
Become harassment in and of itself and
I certainly imagine it would become harassment,
uh, if it became,
uh, excessively vitriolic, if you were being very,
very crass or again persistent in be telling them
that you don't want you to talk to them rather
than simply informing them and then immediately taking action such
as blocking them or removing them from your session.
But I, I think the same line would be drawn as the initial harassment case, right?
You have to have persistent behavior there rather than just telling a person,
I don't want to talk to you and then
blocking them or removing them.
You are just yelling that fact.
Again and again and again and again,
without taking any sort of follow up thing
could potentially fall into that sort of issue.
I imagine the other user would almost immediately want you to stop talking to them.
And if you reach that point and then you didn't,
you could
interestingly begin to harass the person who was harassing you.
It's a kind of specific hypothetical. I, I don't anticipate we would deal with
in any more complicated fashion rather than telling both of
the users involved to stop communicating with the other,
engage in self moderation and move on.
But you,
you could imagine a hypothetical where we're getting into another one
of those two wrongs at the same time type of scenarios.
Again, I think I would draw the same line as our original harassment
mine out unwanted interactions.
It would be
rare for telling someone you don't want them to
talk to you to become a persistent unwanted interaction.
But if you manage to find a way to get it into that category,
it could apply to
Alex TP. I asks any new information on the mentor program.
No,
good question.
Sorry.
Uh I mean, seriously,
I do not have immediate updates to the mentor program to provide today.
There is no PS A to release concerning the mentor program right now though,
I do know the mentor leads are still chewing away, working,
working away on their end of things.
Nie follows up with, I guess that's not a question.
Uh But personally,
I don't like the way people have referred to perfectly safe avatars as fetishes,
it feels really rude and tangentially ago.
Phobic. There's certainly a lot of
the potential for a lot of unwanted behaviors wrapped up
in people trying to cut off communication with other individuals.
I can understand sometimes this happens in a fashion that isn't clear enough to be
able to feel the ticket or really understand the intentions of the other person.
It's just a sort of ick feeling
from the way the person's talking to you. And
my general recommendation is if you're not capable,
if you're not certain what's going on there,
you're not certain what's motivating it.
Uh is to remember that you have no
obligation to associate with people that are treating
uh any of these topics in that fashion.
I would recommend running sessions,
I'd recommend uh engaging the session moderation tools and blocking yourself.
You don't need to stay around folks. If you're getting a, a red flag or two
concerning their sorts of behaviors, there's no obligation on your part.
And of course,
if it ever does become clear that that does seem to be the motivation behind actions.
We have a very strict set of guidelines relating to intolerance on this platform.
Please let us know we will do what we can to assist.
We're getting into a broader discussion back and forth
as people are highlighting perhaps the most salient concern
in conversations for us in terms of defining
what counts as adult content as it relates to
uh things inside of fetish material or kink material,
which is to say the definitions are difficult to
nail down and we anticipate subjectivity and their interpretation
and wildly diverging opinions across the board.
It has made it difficult for us to craft guidelines
around and understand and anticipate that there will be disagreements between
users on what type of content falls into.
What category my recommendation as a moderator in all of these
scenarios is to try to be respectful of other people's comforts
uh in a sense,
not that you have to always change your behavior on
that on the basis of someone else's comfort level,
so much as making sure you're,
when you're doing something you've crafted the the
area you're in because you can host your own
uh to be filled with people who are all right with it.
If folks come into your space and they want to change the way you host your space,
but it's not guideline breaking behavior, you hold no obligation
uh
to abide by their standards, you can show them the door.
And if they want to make a big fuss of it,
you have session moderation tools to curate your user experience
so that you will not encounter people offering those takes.
And likewise,
if you would like to see certain content not present inside of your session,
we have provided
uh boards that can give you session
uh guidelines which are above and beyond the guidelines that we enforce that
you as a host might want to see enforced in your session.
And again,
you can make use of session moderation tools to
remove people who do not comply with them.
Pork asks
what about if you have dvs on your avatar?
But it is not the bracelet is that avatar is still considered not safe for work.
I'm assuming DVS are associated with some sort of system to allow adult content
to be present on the avatar uh under certain circumstances. I don't know what DV is.
I'm making a guess in that regard. Please feel free to clarify if I'm wrong.
Our standing
explanation when it comes to adult content on avatars
is no amount of trickery makes it acceptable.
Have an avatar that's completely lacking adult content.
Use it in public worlds, have an avatar that has adult content,
use it in worlds that are appropriate for adult content to it.
They need to be uh hidden from public view.
All users need to be 18 years of age or
older and everyone needs to consent to view that content.
We don't generally endorse any other system than having two entirely separate.
Avatars
court clarifies, but without the bracelet system, it is not there.
It's just the parent if what's in the avatar,
if you load out the avatar and you hand it to me and I
put an eyeball on the avatar and it does not contain any adult content.
Like the parent is just a slot with a name, parent.
That's fine. I don't care. There's no adult content on that avatar. It's ok
if any adult content is capable of being loaded in or brought onto it
or hidden on it or otherwise going to load onto it through any system,
no matter how complicated, sophisticated or absolutely.
Triple quadruple checked certain to never load it in public.
I'm not going to,
to endorse that system moderation simply does
not endorse any system other than having an
avatar that is 100% compliant with worlds or public worlds used in public worlds.
And another avatar
that has whatever bells and whistles they'd like to put on
it for use in private worlds or adult content rated worlds.
I should clarify.
Cork asks sort of the question when it comes to kink and fetish related material.
More broadly.
Cork says,
why is V considered adult when you can watch it on Saturday morning cartoons?
And that is the bizarre,
strange world of human sexuality wrapped into a single question.
We are doing our best to craft a guideline that allows people to be able to
do what they would like on our platform and still be comfortable on our platform.
And I understand it's going to lead to weird moments like that.
But we're doing our best to get around the weird nuances of uh kink content,
fetish content and dealing with people
uh in an online shared space.
The line we draw in case folks are unaware is that generally having
uh something that could be categorized as K care fetish,
but isn't hitting our definition for, for sexually explicit
uh is that that's fine. If it's just neutrally
be present inside.
When someone,
someone starts engaging actively in doing something
that is kink or fetish related,
then it has to be dragged,
then it counts as about content that needs to be dragged to another world.
The main distinction here is because it turns out there's droves of things
that could tentatively be covered under kink content for want of a better term
uh that people will just use as casual wear.
So we're going, we, we've made our line between
just it being statically present
and some sort of activity occurring activity is
when we start considering dial content more broadly
to get back into some questions because I think I missed a couple here.
Uh Nooky asked what if I have an anchor that is in my mouth,
that small people can sit in?
Is that too close to four? Certainly could be.
It seems like the sort of thing we would lead with a reminder.
Certainly if you were actively engaging in doing that
uh in public sessions,
cyber frog asks a
separate question entirely.
What will happen if someone joins my headless server and this bad person
leaves something not say for work or adult content in your world,
who would be punished?
What would be the consequences? We try and run down, who did that?
You're not responsible purely as the host
for people coming in and vandalizing world.
If you, you gave us the ticket, we would try to identify what happened.
If someone else gave us the ticket and then named you as the individual,
you might get the initial warning or even account restrictions.
I'd heavily encourage if that happened that you submit an appeal,
provide us with that additional context and we will try to resolve the situation
as always.
If we're just talking about one instance of adult content,
we're likely to lead with warnings, reminders,
uh some sort of message from the
rein I bot
and only if it happens again And again, do we start going into account restrictions?
Miss Name asks, what are the terms under copyright?
For example, one of my friends is creating a one for one remake of Beat Saber.
What are the procedures in place?
Assets are obvious but recreating the game behavior field to be
1 to 1 or close to uh a short of us receiving
a message for AD MC A takedown request.
If it's relating to assets or something else, if it's relating to behavior,
we're not going to be attempting to
moderate the systems you're building
on platform for potential copyright infringement.
That's beyond the scope of moderation inside of re
Cork asks why does VR Chat not consider V uh as adults? We do a
VR Chat is a different platform run by
different people uh published by a different company.
They have different standards than us.
Uh Nki provides sort of the example.
So to give another example, pictures of people wearing leather would be OK,
same with avatars, but actual fetish place, banking restraint,
et cetera must be private.
And yeah,
that's, that's a very succinct way of putting where we put
uh the line right now, we try and differentiate between activity
and just neutrally existing inside the world.
I understand even inside of that context,
uh there are going to be, there are going to be gray spots.
The line might get blurry a little bit,
but we try and navigate with as much nuance and Grace as we can,
Jack asks.
So from my understanding of our system itself wouldn't be considered
adult content unless it was used in an explicit way,
right?
Because just the system isn't explicit, but people getting off to using it.
Is, is that correct?
Uh I'm not going to include the getting off to it, but it's, it's just action.
If people are engaged in that system, you could be running into problems with us.
Uh But a,
a system that exists as part of a just sitting there inertly unused could be fine.
Of course, as I always like to bring in whenever this discussion comes up,
this was part of why we provided people with session rule boards to give
folks the ability to establish rules for
their sessions above and beyond the guidelines.
If you'd like to adopt a higher standard,
you're welcome to do that.
You don't
host anything you don't want to host.
Assuming none of the new session guidelines
uh don't violate other guidelines. We have such as something not intolerance.
Uh Your session guidelines are fine.
Cork asks, uh what about jockstraps?
I get really mixed responses on them and
I anticipate that that's going to run into the
uh primary uh could run into problems under our definition for,
for sexually explicit stuff where we're talking
about definition around genitalia being present.
If there's definition, you, you're going to run into issues.
I'm not going to give you an explicit definition
for when the curvature of meshes surrounding jockstraps becomes
adult content.
But if you're engaging with any definition in that part of the body,
expect an issue with moderation.
Cyber frog asks a follow up.
Is it OK to have a public headless, then make it private, then spa on adult content,
then remove it, then make it public,
isn't it? Uh want to be stored in the cache
server or an undue? I would because of that very reason, recommend against that.
There's certainly only a fringe likelihood of people encountering adult
content in a way where they didn't consent to it,
don't want to see it or it's back in a public space.
But because that fringe thing remains,
I would recommend strongly against doing that.
I'd recommend starting a new session
uh if you're going to go public again. Certainly,
Cork says as a general comment,
they need to add a way for adult sessions to still allow friends
to enter without an invite while we intend to provide additional features.
Uh Down the line.
I'm not going to give you estimates on when things are going to arrive.
I'm not going to describe how they could look when they arrive, but we're very,
very obviously a platform still under development.
If you have features, you would like,
I will always encourage you to bring them to the github
and post them there.
Get all your friends that want to see that to add to the thread and
upvote the thread show that there's a general
community interest in this or that feature.
That's the sort of engagement we absolutely love to see.
Kirk follows up with another follow. Uh Another clarification is a big circle. OK?
For a jockstrap, but the shape of the double asterisk,
not really certain what you're implying with back there.
But if there's any definition do anticipate problems, yes.
As always, I'm gonna lean back on the oldest of answers
if you are genuinely uncertain, despite several clarifications from
us, as we try and draw a line on whether something is good in the public world.
My actual recommendation often becomes
maybe you should treat that as adult content
just to
safe. Make sure you're in a world where it's not public or not visible to the public.
Everyone present is 18 or over and everyone present consents to view it.
If you're just genuinely not certain where that line is drawn,
make sure you're in a world where the line doesn't matter.
Alex
Tupi
asks a portal to private world with adult content in public world becomes public.
Question mark.
You're asking if,
if a public world has a portal in it to a private world where there's adult content.
Yeah, that's bad. You, you've left that world open. Uh Don't do that.
That is that is still reachable, attainable by the public.
It's visible to the public.
Do not do that.
All right, we have uh burned through
a significant amount of our time today floating around 12 minutes past
when I should have rung the bell and called it a day.
But it's been a lively
discussion with a whole bunch of questions.
Nie,
I'd like to apologize. I don't think I got to all of the questions you had up top.
There's still a few kicking around.
Uh, if they're still there, by all means, pick them up, drag them to next week,
I will keep chewing through them.
Uh It's a sort of thing. I would always be happy to continue the discussion around
uh as for everyone else and all the questions you've had today.
Thank you very much for them. I'm always happy to see this more lively than not.
If anyone is worried
that they're asking me questions and us going late is a bad thing.
Don't, don't, don't, it's the very opposite.
We'd like to see people engaging with moderation.
We like to see people asking questions and trying
to find out where those lines are drawn.
I find in my experience,
people who ask questions about these things aren't trying to find a way to cheat
the rules but trying to find a way to be compliant with the rules.
That's a great indicator of some of the,
the people in the community doing their best to
try and do things correctly.
Please come with your questions. Please ask. I'm always happy to see them
with that in mind.
I'll give the usual,
I'm going to be available next week at the same time in the same location.
You'll be able to find me here every Sunday
at 4 p.m. est.
Uh Of course,
look out for the notification and if you'd like notice of it coming down the line,
pick up the office hours roll.
I am with that in mind going to double check for the last
couple of questions before I just fly out the side of the world
core clarified with the portal system. What if it had a password?
Uh No, we we don't have a password. You'd have to do something in the world.
And so it would still be visible. That is, that's not sufficient.
And
I think that is
it in terms of strong questions.
I missed your question. I'm very sorry.
It has been a pretty busy today and it was a busy day today and it's just been me.
No veer.
Uh So if you, if your question was missed,
I would encourage you again to head to the ticket system if you'd like
to ask it there or just hold on to it for next week.
I'm going to be present
again and you can always ask that question then
without mine. I hope everyone here has a fantastic weekend
and I will see you next time, folks.